It’s possible that may happen in the future in terms of addition but I have not seen Gaijin give any plane in the game its “tested” radar.
I know I’m using AI but it doesn’t even seem the Tranche 4 Quadriga for Germany was even delivered let alone put into service.
Saw something previously about it being planned for “later that year” and it was an article from the start of last year or something. Was a while ago, and I think it was German, so I cant find it easily. But would have been linked here on the forums.
Why?
Rafale only has HMD because it was “tested” im not sure why denying CAPTOR-E (which is the ONLY AESA option for 2 nations) purely because its "only" been tested is a valid reason. it IS in service on Typhoon for 2 nations. That is already more than enough.
Then it has 100% been fitted to British Typhoon as well
This fact cannot be denied.
Im not sure why the EFT must be artifically nerfed all the time.
Germany is also upgrading their T2/T3s. Im fairly certain its a few of these that recieved a radar so far if im not mistaken.
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Pesa by then was not new technology though… Soviet Union has been using it in their fighter jets (mig 31) since the 80s. It’s just makes 0 sense to go without any form of esa until the 2020s.
Kinda hilarious how they took longer than Russia for an aesa plane
Best I can find is
Which shows they have begun full production of the Mk1 which is what Germany is planning to mostly use for its upgrade of its existing fleet.
So at a bare minimum. They will be upgrading very soon.
Im fairly certain CAPTOR-M was considered better than the PESA radar fitted to the early Rafale.
CAPTOR-M is about as close to AESA as you can get without actually having AESA. Combine with sensor fusion with the PIRATE and multi-aircraft sensor links. Its pretty clear why CAPTOR-M and typhoon has done so well without AESA.
Pesa on rafale was only “relatively” terrible because of its small size. Big pesas like those on the flankers match or even exceed the aesas on rafale in many scenarios (such as range)
I would argue any pesa is much closer to aesa than any mech scan radar
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forgive me for saying so, but this is a quite poor excuse.
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Only thing the CAPTOR-M couldnt compete with was scan speed. Though again, only when looked at alone. Combine with PIRATE and 2+ aircraft. That limitation goes away
It could P-Track, interleave scan, SARs, etc etc, just as well as most AESA radars and again, AESA has been an option for the Typhoon for the better part of the last 2 decades. Clearly there must have been a reason to wait
Captor m is inferior to pesas of comparable size in many ways…
Range is a big factor (100miles is highest official range I’ve seen for captor m compared to over 200km of n011m)
Number of targets tracked and number of simultaneous targets engaged at once is another deficiency.
Scan rate as you’ve said.
As well as gimbal limits (esa radars have potential of much higher gimbal limits, for example, mech scan n011 of su-35 was limited to ± 90 degrees compared to the ±125 degrees of n035, the latest n011 derivative with pesa)
Overall going to at least a pesa would’ve been massive for eurofighter imo
Again, clearly not, otherwise they would have done it.
They could have outfitted with AESA at the same time the Rafale did, but chose not to.
If im not mistaken, also a much larger radar. About 3 times the size. (quick google, NO11M is about 650kg vs CAPTOR-M at 200kg.
So yes, a much larger radar would have greater range, but also come at the cost of needing a much larger airframe to handle it. As we see in game, Typhoon runs laps around the Su-30SM.
Though 160km range for a fighter and 370km for an airliner isnt that bad for “only a M-Scan”
Though, again, the max im seeing reported for NO11M is 400km and a tracking range of 200km. So PESA + Triple the size for about 10% more range?
Only wiki but NO11M could only handle 15 targets and only engage 4
CAPTOR-M could track 20 (i think, maybe more), P-Track at least 6 and engage 6 targets.
so… Again, PESA isnt always better.
and thats without factoring in Sensor fusion of PIRATEs 200 TWS
Sure… but again, much larger radars. and not always needed. CAPTOR-E though provides a greater FoV than that.
Most of the west skipped PESA, France is kinda unique in the fact that they didnt.
When was the first AESA equipped eurofighter delivered to the middle east?
2021 I think
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Ah, didn’t realize captor m was so small. Let’s compare with no35, latest no11m derivatives from the early 2000s, around 450 kg, but also has basically double of all of captor m stats as well. Also n011m on Wikipedia is wrong, those stats would make it worse than the n011 mech scan it replaced, no need to use wiki if I got primary and secondary sources on those radars, I’ll post them when I get home but that 200km is for fighter sized target. Also it’s more fair to compare captor m to no35 of su35s because they’re more comparable in size (although no35 is still 450 kg) and of similar era (early/mid2000s) and in that, no 35 is basically double captor m in every aspect. I’ll post sources and real stats when I get home
Your source in the other EFT thread said 100nmi+, not 100mi, thats over 185km, not the ~160km that 100mi would produce btw. Still lower than 200km, but its closer.
Theres also a lot more to radars than the numbers we discuss on the WT forums. Range and scan zone isnt everything irl.
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Ah im ngl i thought they were the same (not American) not familiar with American terms, thought nautical and mile would be the same (why the hell would a mile be different over the ocean)
All good, just figured id correct you on the stupidities of the imperial system lol.
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Actually fairly certain Nautical Mile is British, at least in part
Nautical Mile
a unit of length, primarily used in sea and air navigation, that is defined as exactly 1,852 meters (about 6,076 feet) and is equivalent to one minute of latitude
A mile is 1609m
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