The meta is being in the notch and firing SARH missiles at high off boresight angles.
If you have R77, R77-1 or MICA with a radar/hmd that can lock targets at 90 degrees, you can be an absolute monster, as anyone that tries to close the distance will get anhialated while you remain relatively safe.
AIM120 carriers are forced to missile joust and suffer for it.
Literally just multipath. It’s stupidly easy and makes you immune to most threats.
Just because something is better, doesn’t mean the other thing is bad. I’ve performed fine in uptiers with my JF-17, and that has limited missiles and flight performance.
So now we are comparing what you consider the best aircraft in the game the OP Typhoon with “I can do well in an uptier”
Yes you can do well but anyone can however that is less likely, due to the aforementioned points made by players who fly and have used the Typhoon.
Typhoon cannot sit in the notch at ±10km and send 120s they do not have the anywhere near the same pull as the R-77-1 and the MICA. Typhoon Radar struggles to pick up contacts and keep them updated and tracked.
That is not to say you cannot do well with a Typhoon, but as one of the premier aircraft in the game it shouldnt be that far off the current meta. Typhoon needs ASRAAM and a diluted IRIS-T
Even if ASRAAM was modelled as a really long range flare resistance R-27ET I would be happy with that.
Depending on range and angle that works against a single oponent. Early game or if you simply have to face multiple chances are you will get annihilated.
I never said it was OP, and most of my arguments have been saying that it’s not bad.
Which is why you multipath to get close and launch an Aim-120 when the enemy is higher. It’s not like they pull bad, they still pull 30gs.
It does not. All it needs is a fixed radar and it would be fine. With that, it would probably be the best BVR plane in the whole game, while still being competitive WVR.
Overall I do decently in it, and not any worse than what I do in other planes. I still need to play it more to get more accurate stats.
Thats fair , I am likely conflating multiple posts.
I havent tried flying low with Typhoon since the changes, I will give it a go. Previously though even with the unaltered flight model playing as a Rat you were vulnerable to the Rafale/Mirage MICAs
I have chaffed and notched 120s from 6km away they are pretty easy to defeat.
Radar fixing will allow the Typhoon to see which would be nice as would some FM buffs.
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Why does the Rafale thread report my messages (which aren’t inappropriate, off-topic, or anything validly reportable and get removed by staff instantly). But when I go to the EFT thread, not only are my messages not falsely spam reported, but they’re engaged in a respectful and just manner?
I was talking about the same thing in both threads. Pointing out the overperformance of their respective jets. For context, this was (sort of) an experiment to see how both groups react to slight pushback of what they think. I found it weird that the thread whose plane is majorly overperforming silenced me with staff support, but the thread whose jet is (still slightly overperforming) missing critical features was more accepting of me.
Nothing is directed at anyone. Just observations of differences between how the 2 threads do things. Let’s be respectful.
Staff removed my post because i called twitter misinformation as “nonsense” (while proving with evidence that i was correct)
You only came to the topic to ask for a nerf, without specifying in what way, what source you had to back it up or anything else.
Rafale is overperforming in some areas, i won’t deny it (post M1.5 acceleration, G overload) but is also missing features (MICA range, RCS, and plenty of AESA shenanigans, such as range or multibeam)
You also asked for EF nerfs while it is underperforming, especially in the radar and acceleration area. It could be buffed to make it on par with Rafale instead, as it should be
Seing as you only play US planes, it gives the very disturbing impression that you are trying to profit from the disagreements between EF and Rafales enjoyers to get them on par with obsolete US fighters instead (F14), which obviously shouldn’t be the case. And you did so without bringing any meaningful argument to the table.
Finally, 2 out of the ~ 15ish posts you made in the Rafale thread were flagged, which is not uncommon for anyone who doesn’t bring anything to a conversation, be it Rafale thread, EF thread (see Mulatu, well tbf, he bringed something to the conversation by accidentally buffing Brimstone, that one was gold ngl), or anywhere else really, except maybe off topic and R&R threads.
Let’s not try to justify this behavior with the “experiment” excuse, shall we ?
I was being respectful and I was specifically talking about maneuvering for most of it.
And it should get that stuff. Not once did I allude that these planes shouldn’t be realistic. That’s what we should all want.
This whole part is just disingenuous. I did not mention anything US-related during this experiment, including the F-14. That’s an entirely different thing that says a lot more about your biases than my “impression”.
And 0 were flagged in the EFT thread, which was my conclusion from my test.
I don’t know what you’re trying to insinuate here. Looking at it at a surface level. Apparently I decided to randomly go into the EFT and Rafale thread at the same time, talking about the same things, with the same respectful manner just because… What? I was not disrespectful or derailing the topics, which would justify it as behaviour. I don’t know what you want to think was happening, but yes, it was intentional. You don’t do a study by mistake.
(By the way, talking about the Rafale or EFT is their respected threads is bringing something valid to the conversation and isn’t a valid reason to spam report anyone)
Well there happens to be spam-reporting randoms in the rafale thread and not in the EFT thread, which kinda makes sense since the Rafale one is more active. Kinda sad, this flagging system really plagues the forum
This is one of your first post in the Rafale thread :
One problem though, you never played either of those planes, be it EFT, Rafale or Gripen. Not off to a good start…
This is your first post in the EFT thread :
The Rafale post (flagged, but you can still see its content by looking for your nickname in the topic) was pretty much the same type of post. Quite honestly, i wouldn’t have blamed anyone from the EFT thread if they flagged it. It’s not disrespectful in anyway, but it’s just an attempt to get a strong reaction and make them look unreasonable.
When someone goes around with very weird posts or takes, I usually like to check who i’m arguing with and if that person is arguing in good faith. May i remind you your forum posts and your “service records” are public. As for my biases, i have a ton of those. Evryone can see at a quick glance i’m a massive ouiaboo. However, i can recognize when something is unbalanced even if it goes against my interests (AASM hammer IR is one of those, or even Rafale’s insane G pull).
I’m not insinuating anything, i state it very clearly :
EF still has incorrect supercruise speed according to available data.
Both of those planes should probably be placed at their own BR, 14.3 or .7, and yes they probably came in too early, as plenty other planes in the past (F14, F15E, Mig23 MLD and others), that’s pretty much all we can agree on.
Nerfing them for 3 months before Gaijin decides to add the next powercreep isn’t a solution however (unless by BR increase of course).
As for the flag system, yes it’s far from perfect, and yes, some people are abusing it. This however, isn’t one of those cases.
imo it’s terrible that the flagging system hides messages, should call mods and said mods should be able to see who flagged. Hiding a problem doesn’t solve it, just adds more toxicity. As a discord mod I’m telling you the best way to deal with bad messages is to confront the guy directly and not through that terrible flagging system
yes i’m not in disagreement regarding this.
How is any of this not respectful to someone? Unless we’re considering the feelings of the Eurocanards, I’m not seeing the problem here. Also one is a meme I brought over from the double AMRAAM thread on the EFT (which people actually liked). I feel like you’re making this far overblown.
Also, this isn’t a part of my experiment. This is old.
For the EFT, I thought you were talking about AB power. I’m aware of the supercruise and think it shoudl be actioned upon ASAP. Same with any other historical changes.
For the second harlf, Yes. This is what I’ve been saying. Just like those planes have caught nerfs vs their current versions, these 2 need some too. This was never a special case of “oh the darn Eurocanrds are beatin my Tomcat! Nerf them now!11!”
Given that the Superhornet, F-2A, and J-10B/C are slated to come in the next major update and almost certainly won’t be on the same level as the planes added 2 updates before them, I say it’s not a solution, but it does help.
I beg to differ.
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I think the core of the issue is right here.
You want historical fixes but nerfs at the same time. Both are uncompatible with each other however
EFT would just be straight up buffed in some areas, and Rafale would be in a “lose some, gain some” situation, making Rafale as busted as it is right now, but in a slightly different manner, and EFT even more of a menace
Note that i’m not against a BR increase for both to give breathing room to lower BRs however.
Also if you want to do an “experiment” and be the “judge”, you better have a solid case, and opening it with an incorrect claim (stating you play both EFT and Rafale while it’s not the case, as DirectSupport recalled) isn’t exactly stellar.
How? Just because something is nerfed doesn’t mean it isn’t realistic.
