And enlighten me what is the AoA here? Your limiter’s off and the AoA isn’t displayed which leads me to believe you’ve just stalled the wing. My numbers were recorded at 27 degrees which is well within controlled flight.
Can you compare turn rate above mach 1, Typhoons vs Rafale plss
I mean, my point was that high AOA doesn’t matter cause it effectively doesn’t in air RB, otherwise the F-15E would be 13.3 in BR for having the worst AOA above 13.0 when in reality it’s strong because air RB prioritizes metrics that aren’t tied to high AOA or even general dogfight performance.
@Sean74218
No, because the pilot cannot withstand the sustained Gs, and mach 1 sustained isn’t a noteworthy metric for dogfights, air RB, air sim, or general flight performance.
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I don’t care about that, I’m saying the numbers are wrong. Matters or not that is far too much drag for a wing with no or minimal flow separation. As I said earlier there is a reason the eurofighter suddenly starts to fall out of the sky 2-3 turns in now.
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I’m trying it rn. Could someone prove me something. Loadout - Full Brimms, 4xAIM-120, 2xAIM-9M. 20 mins of fuel. AOA limiter ON. Speed ~600km/h. When trying to pull a sharp turn - it’s janky as hell. You can see that plane is trying to pull more, but control surfaces are wobbling - which makes plane wobble as well. Plane locks up starting at around 1000km/h - for no reason. Instructor feels like a freshman straight out of internship. They either meddled with stalls too much or with instructor himself.
I tried the AoA button on F-18, it’s incomparably smoother. Doesn’t feel right on EF at all.
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I mean, wobbling is the nature of the instructor not the aircraft, and has impacted Typhoon since release last year.
It also impacts Su-27s and F-18s.
The AOA button still leaves the instructor on for an amount of things, and I suspect it’s still on for rudder.
Which for aircraft with minor to major rudder issues, makes the problem worse when AOA limiter is off.
What fuel/armament presets are you using for that chart?
90% for Rafale and 100% for Typhoon.
If you run FIF [Full Internal Fuel], that gives Typhoon “unfair advantage” in turn rate as their fuel consumption are similar for the time-in-tanks loaded.
I’m going to try and get clips of the Blue Vixen in the FA2 working well and then get clips of the Captor-M being as blind as a bat at some point. But would be good if you and anyone else could directly share clips. Would help with perhaps reporting it
You can have my clips of the cases I wrote xD
Yeah, those would be great
Yeah after Mach 1, Eurofighter turns so bad, almost like if those canards start freezing up,
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And also the Rudder feels like its stuck at +/- 0
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Will later upload then to YT
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Even a mirage with no canards at same speed turns better. Giant artificial nerf
Would expendable decoys like Britecloud and GEN-X be more feasible?
Even an G.91 without an Rudder (Destroyed) feels better than the EF one
Understood.
In my opinion, I don’t think this graph accurately represents what I am seeing in game.
I’ve been testing with A2A loadout, centerline fuel tank and 20 minuites of fuel.
With this loadout, I don’t see a smooth change in the sep value for a slightly higher G turn.
Instead I get a rapid and uncontrollable loss of speed and increase of AOA with no change to my turn rate or G values.
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I agree. The best way to describe current flight model is “unpleasant to fly”
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The art of decisive mouse movements is something I was forced to learn… with T-2.
F-111A will also force you to learn that.
And it is a NECESSARY skill at the top end regardless of what plane you are flying.
Most planes won’t let you run max AOA near their sustained turn rate, most aircraft aren’t F-15E, F-104S, or F-5E.
Most aircraft will pull 2 - 5Gs ABOVE their sustained turn rate, and that’s a lot to account for.
The German and British tech tree for the most part lack aircraft that punish people for not learning this skill, it’s primarily the Tornado and F-111C that will punish you before the Typhoon.
Rafale will punish you the most, as it can pull the most AOA above its sustained, it’s like 7Gs above its sustained turn rate, it’s wild how much you can bleed your speed with Rafale, far above any other jet in the game.
Obviously I think the 15-16Gs max is wrong, and at some stage the Rafale won’t be the fastest speed bleeder in the game, but for now it is.