Well yeah i also think it’s good, but i still prefer amraams due to the range
if you play around BVR spam then the MICAs are easily the most capable ARH missile in game, the key to doing well though is hovering around the edges of furballs to avoid being swarmed, like this you can pick off stragglers before dissecting the furball into smaller fights through specific MICA launches and then you can bully whatever is left using magics and insane FM, this is applicable to all 3 MICA slingers
can the typhoon fire a Fox 3 in a IRST lock ? and how does that work ?
Probably, though guidance quality (e.g. where it predicts the point of intercept for the missile to be) is obviously somewhat degraded (after all if it was just as good, why retain the radar?), and likely limits mode selection due to not having direct ranging capabilities (I don’t think PIRATE has a Laser range finder, though it might. I know that select later Soviet / Russian IRSTS’s do, which is part of the rationale behind including LWR capabilities in the defensive suite). But kinematic ranging (e.g. via a Kalman Filter) is possible, based off known own-ship positioning and movement and establishing an angular rate of change history for the contact in question or via trigonometric coincidence estimation using offboard sensors (e.g. other members of the flight at combat spread via the datalink).
Take for example the IRSTS (not present in game, even though it should be) / TCS found on the F-14A &-14B.
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But the developers don’t believe it. “Marketing lie”
Dev’s response:
To fully issue target designation, ARH missiles require the speed of approach to the target, and the range.
And the PIRATE IRST can only approximately estimate the range through triangulation, and for this it is necessary to perform certain maneuvers. The report does not say that the AIM-120 can be launched based on target designation from the IRST, not a mistake.
At the same time, the IRST can transmit target designation for missiles with IR homing in the game, so the current implementation does not contradict the data from the report.
And no one cares (in dev’s) that the IRST in the game already provides data on the distance and speed of approach. That is, absolutely the same data as the radar.
Because weather and clouds make it impossible to track the target using IRST
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I heard that the test server has been updated to version .46, do you have any news?
The report requests information, but is locked, so I can’t comment considering the Dev response, looking for more info.
The above F-14 based excerpt could probably qualify as a surrogate as the TCS on the F-14B is similarly impacted, since it lists the ordnance specifically.
Best you could probably get is that, like the F-8 (should, see “Range Burst”, in the following Excerpt) transfers the lock directly to the missile guidance supported by the radar, or otherwise launches them Pitbull as per AIM-54 (“Active”).
Additionally it is known that modern Western radars (e.g. APG-65 and later) do not have a dedicated Track / Missile guidance waveform, so the RWR should be unable to distinguish between them(see below linked report) , but this is in the minutia at this point.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/T7jegF6n5BbR
Any ability to assist, with this?
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Yeah, Im sure flame is working on a response
Marketing.
Lies.
What’s not clear?
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Curse you, Thales! Lying since 2002
There was nothing about Typhoon in 0.42/3/4/5. 0.46 is one of the smallest micro updates I’ve seen in the time (a couple of months) I’ve been tracking them.
So then how does the Angle Rate Bombing Set work, then?
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Thats obvious…
magic.
Yep - ‘but Russian Stronk Fighter not do this? - is impossible!.’
Of course, we can leave aside the fact that with enough computing power (which is probably why Russian IRSTs might struggle) - a number of ‘fixes’ could be taken in terms of horizontal or vertical angles and combined to give a reasonable position. Certainly ‘good enough’ to send an AMRAAM or Meteor into the general area of your unwitting target. Two Typhoons with enough separation could probably get a VERY accurate fix if they were linked-up, without the target being tipped off.
Similar to TMA (Target Motion Analysis) done by a submarine, which relies on another passive sensor (passive sonar) to locate it’s targets without emitting anything.
Unless Soviet subs can’t do that either? Actually I don’t want to know - the devs appear to be living in the 1950s with a firm belief that technology never progressed beyond big lumps of wood and tractors.
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Also marketing lies. It’s not possible.
I think for a start it would be nice to implement TWS at IRST. I’m not 100% sure, but I saw something similar in this thread.
It’s known russian air craft can fire r-77s through IRST.
Well, Gaijin obviously seems to disagree.
I wouldn’t be surprised if PIRATE learns to launch AMRAAMs only after, say, the Su-30SM learns to do so.
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