Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

Why does the EF lose all roll-ability if the controls for only one wing is damaged/destroyed but the structure is intact? Controls for the canards and the other wing are functional but you can’t roll at all anymore.
On the other hand: If you lose both wings up until the wingroots (so you’re effectively just a flying body) and the controls are intact, you can still roll (pretty good) even if you’re only flying with your body lift and canards.

Probably because if you roll with one wing you’re also applying an unintended pitch moment (since they’re elevons) and that gets damped by the instructor, whereas if you have neither wing that’s not an issue.

That’s funny because if you fly normally and pull to the side, without rolling manually before, the instructor let’s you fly a bobsled curve where you drift upwards because the EF can’t roll fast enough ^^
So the instructor doesn’t seem to habe much of a problem with that. You can’t even roll manually, the EF just doesn’t react to any roll inputs anymore in the case one wing control is lost.

Damage models feel incredibly random at times. Like the Tonka loses all pitch control with any damage to the elevators or the engines lose 50% of their power if any of the main body gets a scratch

Or the F-16 losing its whole tail control if the rudder gets damaged/destroyed (elevator controls always get destroyed too) or the A10 losing nearly all pitch control if only one elevater is lost (same with the F-16 too which loses 90% of its pitch control after losing one elevator). There are countless examples ^^

Yep, a total aircraft damage model overhaul has been needed for years. Maybe a decade

And implementing the control redundancies. Currently every control has zero redundancy making planes like the A10 (which should be a flying tank) extremely vournerable to every kind of damage.

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Yeah, that would be very cool.

Orlan is a person sized drone with a sufficiently large heat signature that I could make it out and track it with decades old 2nd generation tank thermals on a 110 degree day in the desert at noon.

The Zala is more or less the same, just a bit smaller and faster. We don’t even train against these anymore, we train against drones with reduced IR, sound, and radar signature if we’re discussing reconnaissance drones. Though our job is to spot them not to engage, that is the air defense guys thing. Our job is self protection from FPV and other types of anti tank munitions, which are generally harder to spot due to size and speed more so than IR signature.

Regardless, the imaging infrared sensors would be pretty worthless today if they could only track larger than man sized objects with IR signatures produced by afterburning turbofans.

The IIR can differentiate even subtle differences in temperature of the target vs background.

It can also lock onto “cold targets” that are cooler than the background reference.

Yeah that’s why I said a proven capability. We know what IIR can do and ASRAAM has a proven capability in that area.

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Btw. anything new about the AIM-9M going for flares (or just veer off) in rear- and front-aspect when the target is flaring?

Nothing I can share yet. Once I have an update I’ll let you all know.

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Just good to hear it’s under investigation.

Can you nudge lock ranges whilst they are working on them?

De-chirped 9L is that you??

Nah, those are a marketing lie

This change should affect Brimstone missile because it uses laser guidance, but I dont understand the extent to what they are describing. Does this change mean I can fire off Brimstones at a coordinate (w/ initial laser designation) and turn off the laser and have the Brimstone behave in a GPS manner?

no because of IOG drift

For the most part, I dont think it really changes anything, except fix this bug:

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Ha! A hit

Is that really after the change? Seems no different to me.