i was doing some testings in statshark with the CAMM but as IR and its impressive, in some situations it surprasses the kinematics of AIM-120B by a lot (foe running from launcher iirc), it even beat MICA-EM in long range shots
But one thing im kinda curious is the MICA-NG, MBDA estates 40% more range while maintaining the same weight (but with dual-pulse motor), wonder if they arent doing a similar thing to ASRAAM
It can be used for BVR I’m pretty sure there is a image somewhere in this forum mentioning it can be used for BVR
I would think that one of the things they’d upgrade on the Eurofighter if ASRAAM has datalink, is to give PIRATE a laser-rangefinder so the IRST can guide the ASRAAM in even if the radar was notched or facing jamming.
The IRST can already get target data passively without needing a laser.
It can be used in BVR.
Is that not information only for initial targeting due to varying inaccuracy? Otherwise what’s preventing it from providing datalink to the aim-120?
In reality? Nothing. Ingame? The devs decision not to let the IRST to be used for LOAL of ARH missiles.
The report to have the IRST use ARHs for launching only alleged that the PIRATE had the capability to initially launch the ARH missiles, nothing that I’ve seen alleged continuous midcourse guidance.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yLTLXyw6s9tj
If the IRST can locate a target precise enough to initially launch an ARH missile, why shouldn’t it be able to give mid-course updates? It’s not like the IRST stops seeing the target after launch. It should even get more precise the longer it looks at the target as more data can be extrapolated from the movement vectors. The target even has to be only rougly located so the ARH seeker knows in which area to look for the target even if the precision is off by >100 m (this can be problematic in airspaces where other aircarft could be present you don’t want to attack).
I feel that not including an LRF in the IRST of Pirate doesn’t affect it negatively in most A2A engagements, LRF in air is limited anyway , OLS-35 LRF works for up to 20km for air targets at which range the ARH seeker head of the missile would lock anyway, Rafale apparently has 40km laser range (idk if on ground or air targets) so that’s better but still a niche function.
Launching ARH missiles at long ranges using IRST only will always be worse because your track data will be incomplete (missing concrete range data) and at the ranges where there is range data the lost energy is low enough it won’t matter unless the target does some crazy maneuvers.
Still wish Pirate had Laser designator+LRF like F-35 or smth to have brims without TGP
Though… once we get actual Brimstones… Wont need it either
Let me posit another question to you, if the RWR of the Eurofighter/Rafale/F-35 is precise enough to initially launch an ARH missile, why shouldn’t it be able to provide mid-course updates so long as the hostile radar is still emitting?
Who says it doesn’t?
I can only confidently talk about the Rafale but documentation states that the Rafale is able to fire from IRST, TV+Laser, RWR, datalink, and radar but verbiage from multitude of documentations assure that TV+Laser and radar are able to provide continuous guidance but the language does not provide that same assurance for IRST and RWR.
Similarly, there’s lack of documentation (I’m assuming) providing that same assurance for IRST and RWR for the EFT and F-35 (ignoring its laser) so it’s reasonable to conclude that isn’t a feature these things have.
It would make exactly no sense for them to not be able to deliver mid-course updates due to sensor fusion. A “track” in the system should be delivered via DL to the ARH missiles in flight, no matter which sensor (or multiple sensors) registered and follow it.
Im fairly certain there are sources for Germany firing IRIS-T via RWR (I dont have them at hand) to intercept missiles and the overall sensor fusion on the EFT i believe is more than capable of guiding weapons towards an RWR contact. Im fairly certain this is usually done in the context of SEAD though.
As for PIRATE guiding weapons, there is a source for it and a report already submitted. Gaijin, as always, believes its a marketing lie
I don’t deny that sensor fusion can lead to sensors compensating for each other
But we’re talking a scenario where only one sensor like an RWR or IRST is able to obtain information
I don’t see the problem? If the RWR or the IRST are precise enough to locate a threat or target continously, a “track” is created in the system (even if the “track quality” is “low” because only one sensor registered it). If you fire an ARH missile on this “low quality track” the missile will still be supplied with target data collected by that one sensor during flight. A track in the system is a track in the system, no matter the quality. If the pilot chooses to fire at such a “low quality track” the system will follow.
Wasn’t it maws? And doesn’t EFT maws basically continuously track missiles?
DASS is so intergrated that its impossible to know for certain but its probably either
and yes, they are AESA radars
