I’ve noticed an increase in the past few weeks. Shots that I thought would be challenging to defeat (like a side aspect or straight down shot) and the Aim-9M was defeated like it didnt even have IRCCM.
Though I do also have a report accepted for the IRCCM to work in all-aspects.
I feel the same, i was playing F-2A ADTW against some basic flankers and F-18s that dont even have MAW and i had some shots from above and side that they werent even aware of my presence and easily defeated my AAM-3s
Buddy he is in full burner you can shoot flares up.
What would happen is seeker shuts off opens again and follows those two nuclear suns instead of ignoring it.
But Gaijin have nerfed suspension IR tracking while FOV IRCCM found on R-73/PL-8 and Magic 2 even Strela all works perfectly
Not really. I have had similar issues as Morvran described using the AIM-9M, AAM-3, PL8B and Magic 2.
However it wouldn’t be a luque13 post without some wild claims about stuff that you have barely ever touched (if at all).
Going a little off-topic, what is the best way to get through stock grind? I’m not really good in this meta missile, let alone with 2 useful missiles
The route I went.
MAWS > New Boosters > G-Suit > Aim-9M > Aim-120B > Engine > Aim-120C5s > rest of the performance mods > Guns > A2G
Was brutal until I got the first 3 done.
But if missile combat is less your thing. I would instead go
MAWS > New Boosters > G-suit (Jet is unplayable without these 3 imo) > Litening III > LGBU (Grab the Paveway IVs and then drop Paveway IVs onto AI targets or bases) > Aim-9M > Aim-120B > Engine > Aim-120C5s > rest of the performance mods, etc etc
I did try unguided bombs, but with the AESAs, you just cant be sneaky enough to get close and the mach limit makes it tricky to use.
gameplay wise?
Until you get the MAWS mod (and thus chaff) your only real option is to terrain mask and hope.
Once you get that, you can stick high and fast.
My default, is to side climb left up to 25k ft (or just below contrail height, if you arent as confident in defending, then id stick closer to 20k, the handling is a lot more forgiving) , and accelerate up to as high a speed as I can, keep my nose slightly away from the main mass of enemies (and thus maintain my seperation). Once i’ve picked a target or 2 I want to engage, ideally someone isolated, trying to flank, I will engage them, aiming to fire the AMRAAM above mach 1.5 (or close to, not easily done when stock) and with the target inside the LSZ, If there wasnt anyone. I tend to skirt around the side of the enemy team and cut off anyway trying to leg it back to base, whilst keeping an eye out for stragglers (People up high, or flying towards me) . Works quite well so far. The key aim for me is to maintain BVR, I dont do as well in WVR and between the state of Aim-9M and the advantages R-77-1 and MICA EM have, coupled with BOL performance, I find the Typhoon is weakest in WVR
You could try high alt unguided bomb drops using CCRP onto bases doing this, or once you get PW4s engaging Ai targets. If you are more confident in defending, then you could favour a more central flight path, drop the PW4s and then turn cold, to almost reset to the flanking tactic. Either way, I would avoid the main furball.
You know when you use personal insult you have lost the discussion.
Hardly using either have a Su-33 with R-27ET and R-73…
And Mirage 2000 with Magic 2s and both missiles are far more reliable than a 9M.
9M is the one I use the most it’s on the Typhoon
It wasn’t much of a discussion to begin with. It was just you throwing around typical luque claims and me calling them out.
Large calibre countermeasures
Its already been proven large CMs should not be better than standard or even BOL.
What he means is that RAF Docs show that an Aim-9L isnt being defeated by large calibre flares when the target is on reheat. Especially in rear-aspect. The same can probably be assumed for Aim-9Ms, even without factoring in its various (IRL) IRCCM methods such as push ahead, Flare rate bias and seeker shutoff.
In-game, 9M shouldnt be swapping to a flare, that just defeats the point of the seeker shutoff, and even if the seeker shutoff didnt work. They really need up the base flare resistance / make afterburning engines a LOT hotter, especially massive ones like those on an Su-30
I wonder if the MiG 25 gives off more IR than the Harrier 😅
Its probably pretty close :D
Ive not touched that BR, but ive heard that 9Ls are working semi-well I think
That’s not something I can have any control over.
I’m just pointing that the flankers have large calibre flares, those work better than normal ones and they burn for longer, they are also fired upwards which is more useful to flare Aim9M in side aspect while turning into the missile.
Chaff is probably the same between bol-normal-large from my experience.
It usually doesn’t swap to a flare unless the missile seeker just loses the initial target after the shut off phase. When the seeker re-engages it will point to where the aircraft would be with its IOG tracking prediction, if the target isn’t exactly there but there are still flares where he looks, the missile probably will just lock into the flare, else it would go dumb eitherway.
If the missile re-engages where the aircraft is, but there are still flares in the seeker fov, it will go again into shut-off phase.
I don’t know if the implementation should be any different, I’m just saying what I think is happening from my understanding of game mechanics.
A good way to understand how the tracking suspension seeker behaves is to just lock into a target without lanching the missile, what the seeker does while still under your wing would be the same as if the missile was flying.
Yeah, but as I said earlier. They’ve been pro-actively swapping to flares, the moment a flare is dropped, which shouldnt be happening. Though regardless of that bug, There is a debate to be had that even in the absence of seeker shutoff, whether they should be going for flares over an afterburning target at all. More than likely, they shouldnt.
An Su-30, sat on full reheat, can spam all the large calibre flares he wants, but an Aim-9L would more than likely still kill without throttling down IRL.
In my recent experience, they work just fine, or just like they always did. If you really encounter such a bug in most of the launches, maybe it might be some weird desync issue?
Yeah that is the single advantage of 9L in top tier, if your target flares thinking it is a 9M in rear aspect but doesn’t lower engine temperature, the 9L will follow the engine, but that is very plane dependent. A gripen will be fine sitting on afterburner and flaring.
My experience, the only things not fine is the Harriers and they dont even have Afterburner
