You can change the MFDs. still an option, just not default
That looks cursed
judging by the angle you are approaching from and the direction of the plane when you do lock it it looks to me like its notching you.
also in the comparison video showing the harrier you are in narrow scan and you were not in narrow scan in the ef.
it also seems like bolth it and the rafale lose track of targets at the same angles
So, are you saying that the CAPTOR-M, isnt an all-aspect radar capable to detecting things that arent flying straight towards it?
Its not exactly like the target is hiding in ground clutter and needs PD to be detected.
There were 2 clips from the EFT. the second was in narrow scan and i spent ages starring straight at the target
this dose not mean it is immune to notching, especially in tws. i would also bet like 9 trillion dollars if you switch to acm it can lock it from that angle
ACM mode cannot be used past 19km. It cannot be used to IFF targets and it cannot be used to find targets that you dont know are there.
Soo… If the answer is just “always use ACM/HMD to lock targets” then something is broken.
It is not TWS HDN though like it is in the Tornado F3.
it is TWS. TWS should be all-aspect. Kinda worthless if it cant detect something flying at any angle other than straight at you. Especially as we dont have an SRC mode
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and? it is common knowledge that there are angles for every single radar in the game where tws/src/hmd will struggle to lock from that acm will be able to lock no problem
well i hate to break it to you but it isnt, and again not just for captor, for every radar. i have no clue if this is realistic or not but thats the way it is in game. there are just some angles where tws is not going to be able to detect people at and thats just how it is. if you think it is that big of issue you can try to convince gaijin to completely rebuild they way they model radars and will honestly support you in that.
Right, of course ACM will lock on, its basically an ultra narrow blast of radar. But I have no issue in the Sea Harrier FA2 or even the Sea Harrier FRS1 detect an aircraft flying at right angles to me. Its basically on the Typhoon that struggles with this
Its not an issue with the Foxhunter or Blue Vixen… So…
Heck, its not even an issue with the Blue Fox’s SCR radar. It doesnt suddenly stop working beecause the target is at 90° to the radar.
Typhoon doesnt have SRC mode. It has 3x PD modes and TWS. If the radar cannot be used if the target is flying parralel to you, then something is fundementally busted with the radar. Anyway. It’s NOT detected things flying straight towards me plenty of times
and I dont know why you want to see the Typhoon artificially nerfed so much?
Roughly matching your test in the Rafale. I.e track the target in TWS throughout its turn, including through the “notch”.
Didnt loose track once:
so?
Re-tested Foxhunter with the same test. It lost it briefly, but is TWS HDN and not TWS
yes, as long as i didnt switch to a different target mid way through the captor would also not lose lock there where as the rafale would… i guess this means that the captor is actually the best radar in the game no? you are all welcome i have fixed the eurofighter.
So if there is more than 1 target. you cant use the radar?
no, what it means is that the radar may lose track of targets (at certain angles (in certain radar modes)) if you switch off from said target and then try to another switch back to said target (if the target remains at the same angle)(and only if you are attempting to use tws to reacquire the target).
So. The CAPTOR-M cannot be used if the target is flying perpindicular to you +/- about 15° from what I have observed. That is a massive blind spot.
It also doesnt explain why the radar sometimes doesnt see targets that are flying straight at you. Unless you are still claiming those targets are “notching” the radar.
I think @Dontkev-psn had a clip of it doing that to him and I know i’ve had that.
Also. It shouldnt matter if I swap targets because Priority track should maintain the track/lock just fine. But of course. That isnt modeled even slightly on the Typhoon, but is on the Rafale and other AESA radars
what? like actually what are you talking about? this is just not at all the case maybe if you had played more than what four games in the plane during the past month you would have noticed that this isn’t the case and maybe you wouldn’t just say things that are completely untrue.
i would love to see a clip of this on the most recent patch in sensor view
Why play an unfinished buggy mess?
When they actually add the CAPTOR-M I might consider picking the Typhoon up again, but at hte moment I just dont see the point. You cannot fight Rafale or Su-30SMs. So why play the aircraft. When I do play Air. I just have more fun in the Tornado F3 or Tornado Gr4.
Though seeing as you have played 1 match. and gotten 0 kills with the Typhoon in ASB. Im not really sure why you are criticizing me for not playing the Typhoon.
those 4 games are air rb and sb combined i have played 20 games in the plane in air rb in the same time frame you have played 4
I dont really play ARB…
I might play the odd match in the GR4 if I fancy a short fast match. But otherwise ARB is god-aweful gamemode and of course you dont have issue with the CAPTOR-M you can just ACM/HMD hard lock anything without even using the TWS to find targets.
Go and play a couple of hours in ASB, where you dont have the crutch of markers telling you where enemies are or to IFF for you or to without third person view to look aroumd and then you will be allowed to provide ciricism.
And recently i’ve just been playing naval anyway. You know, there are other gamemodes and BRs in war thunder. You arent required to only play the top tier jets
You have three types of PD radar modelling in the game, which varies by radar and even by various modes on each radar.
One has ground clutter simulation enabled without forced exact notch width specified, which allows it to keep tracking stuff through the notch in look-up scenarios, the other has ground clutter simulation disabled with a forced exact notch width specified, and third type has both ground clutter simulation and exact notch width specified.
Now, to my understanding, currently the radar automatically tries other signals / modes in STT mode, if it loses the target in the currently used signal / mode.
But it doesn’t have combined waveform / interleaved PRF in search modes.
If you for example compare the HPRF search of the AWG-9 with MPRF search of the CAPTOR-M:
"hprfSearch": {
"dynamicRange": [
40.0,
15.0
],
"groundClutter": true,
"aircraftAsTarget": true,
"friendFoeId": true,
"absDopplerSpeed": false,
"mainBeamDopplerSpeed": false,
"distance": {
"presents": true,
"minValue": 5000.0,
"maxValue": 370000.0,
"width": 500.0
},
"dopplerSpeed": {
"presents": true,
"minValue": -410.0,
"maxValue": 2500.0,
"signalWidthMin": 5.0,
"width": 120.0
}
},
You can see that AWG-9’s HPRF search has ground clutter simulation without a forced exact notch width, which means it can find notching targets in a perfect look-up scenario.
"mprfSearch": {
"groundClutter": false,
"aircraftAsTarget": true,
"friendFoeId": true,
"targetId": true,
"mainBeamNotchWidth": 60.0,
"distance": {
"presents": true,
"minValue": 500.0,
"maxValue": 180000.0,
"width": 500.0
},
"dopplerSpeed": {
"presents": true,
"minValue": -2500.0,
"maxValue": 2500.0,
"signalWidthMin": 2.0,
"width": 30.0
}
},
But CAPTOR-M’s MPRF search has ground clutter simulation turned off and instead uses a forced exact notch width, which means it can’t find notching targets regardless of the look-down/look-up scenario.
Though if im not mistaken. CAPTOR-M’s TWS mode has all 3 modes. LPRF, MPRF and HPRF and is meant to swap between them.
I have long suspected the core issue of the CAPTOR-M’s troubles lie in the radar not automatically swapping between the modes as it should be or defaulting to the wrong mode