This is incorrect im afriad. We have Brimstone Dual Mode in game, simply locked to SAL only for reasons already explained. The missile has this mode of operation in reality. It simply doesn’t also have its MMW mode.
Just like JAGM is split between its SAL and IR modes as seperate varaints in game. This is how the game organises those types of muntitions. So even if we had the MMW mode, it would be a different selection of weapon in game currently.
As i said smokes like this exist, but they don’t reach up to Brimstone GHz, while they would work against for example Longbow.
Still, that would be enough to add it against everything, as even now things like chaff or smoke are universal.
Ah yes, the “limitation of the engine” :)
But that AFAIK still doesn’t change the fact, that the EF never used Brimstone 1/Dual Mode but Brimstone 2.
Tyhpoon was simply integrated with Brimstone. There is no evidence to suggest Brimstone Dual Mode is not compatible.
We have many vehicles in game that use bombs / missiles / rockets not used in service.
I always found this to be a weird choice as they don’t operate in a “mode” per se. Both sensors should operate in tandem. Idea of the dual mode laser+MMW brimstone, for example, was to launch a missile, laser pointer it onto the target and then let the MMW handle the rest (as the target discrimination is more than good enough to avoid losing lock). I suspect the same goes for JAGM.
(Should be) compatible (no actual evidence to say it is, but it can be reasonably assumed), but never carried in the 1 variant.
Additionally 2 would just make more sense considering currently we’re equipped with what are effectively worse hellfires, but I won’t get too far into that.
I think it could be reasonably justified to have:
Brimstone 1 (Tornado GR.4)
Brimstone 2 (EF (early)) ← current model in game
Brimstone 3 (EF (late))
SAL can also be used independently by itself, as can MMW. In game we define these as seperate weapons rather than a toggle mode currently.
There is currently nothing to suggest it was not in any available information.
Glad to see “currently” in there, I do think it’s alright for now considering the engine may well not allow several seekers to operate at the same time.
I’m sure I don’t have to explain that proving a negative is impossible.
Why vikhrs never have been separated into proxy fuze/impact fuze? At the time it was actively harrasing every top tier lobby that would’ve cut a good portion of concerned people. The logic is the same - chosing the option before launch.
You dont. Im just pointing out there is currently nothing to suggest even logically to the devs that Typhoon would be incompatable with any Brimstone after its integration. Hence why we have it.
Fuses are generally handled differently in missiles to guidance modes.
Which is a logical argument, i’m just pointing out that it’s probably a good time to consider either a F&F variant or brimstone 2, compatibility entirely aside, just to maintain capability:
Is there information about inner pylons of Typhoon being incompatable with 2 additional AIM-120s?
Besides the “suggested” weaponry layouts.
Sadly there is no variant that is not MMW.
A suggestion report has already been submitted for this. It remains down to the developers discretion.
We dont have any information to suggest it was realised currently.
If there was, it would become open to reportable suggestion consideration.
Is there an existing report outside the forums suggesting the ways to implement MMW correctly as people have been suggesting here? Giving smoke chaff capacity (like they have with IR) and/or making ordinance beyond 6 weapons proportionately more expensive.
All of these factors have been previously considered by the developers.
Isn’t that the same thing? We don’t have information that Brimstone 1 is compatible (was realised) the EF but we assume so as the later variants can be used. We don’t have any information that AMRAAMs can be used (was realised) on the inner pylons but we assume it can’t even if the other pylons can? Is this the famous duality of mind?
And what was the conclusion? I’m interested as to understand how what would effectively with those changes be a worse weapon than the other toptier F&F missiles (particularly with helis getting 16 now!!) would not be justified.
It’s not a question of compatibility though, it’s a question of anachronism. DMSB stocks no longer existed when Typhoon started using Brimstone.
It was an interim weapon of limited production, which was expended through operational use on Tornado GR.4. By 2016, Tornado GR.4s were already using Brimstone 2 because production had switched to that variant, and DMS was being used up. Procurement of DMSB was done only on the basis of maintaining an operational stock for Tornado
Question 153. the PUS promised to give the Committee information about the mismatch of available ordnance, in particular Brimstone, in where the Armed Forces need them
There is no mismatch in the availability of Brimstone. Dual Mode Seeker Brimstone (DMSB) is an air launched anti-armour missile resourced under Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR) arrangements originally specifically for use in Op TELIC (Iraq) but subsequently authorised as an Op HERRICK(Afghanistan) UOR. Defence does not hold a contingent stockpile of UOR weapon types. Instead, sufficient weapons are procured to just meet the predicted needs of OP HERRICK. However, in light of DMSB’s characteristics of accuracy and reduced risk of collateral damage, stocks waiting delivery in the UK were prioritised and moved from Afghanistan for use in Op ELLAMY to meet the operational imperative. Immediate action was taken to procure additional DMSB (with three months lead time) to meet the continuing needs of OP ELLAMY and to replenish stocks for OP HERRICK, during which time usage in Afghanistan was carefully managed. Subsequent replenishment action allowed Op HERRICK to return to routine activity levels, with stocks sufficient to sustain the operation, prior to the introduction of Brimstone 2, DMSB’s replacement missile. Brimstone 2 will be a “core” funded munition and will therefore be stored in larger number, as is usual.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmdfence/828/828we02.htm
Between its introduction in 2008 and 2012 alone, the RAF had used 200 of the total 500 DMS Brimstone manufactured at that time.
Typhoon didn’t use Brimstone until 3 years after Tornado started using Brimstone 2, by which time every DMSB had been fired, leaving only the MMW Brimstone 1 and Brimstone 2 in the UK’s inventory.
