what makes you think the return for the EF is less percise?
you are getting a stronger return with the EF compared to the Mig-29
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The return is larger which is usually (maybe skewed by my experience with earlier radars cause Britain doesn’t have much for IRST) a sign of poorer return accuracy.
“ASRAAM has full ‘Lock On Before Launch’ and ‘Lock On After Launch’ operating modes.” doesnt mean data-link?
It’s possible IOG.
Must mean that in order to lock on after launch.
it is IOG
the “full” made me think otherwise, but given that they used data-link as features in mica and mica-ng, it probably is
I also want ASRAAM to have a DL. It is clearly designed with range and acceleration performance in mind, so it’s really a shame that it cannot be used for BVR
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i was doing some testings in statshark with the CAMM but as IR and its impressive, in some situations it surprasses the kinematics of AIM-120B by a lot (foe running from launcher iirc), it even beat MICA-EM in long range shots
But one thing im kinda curious is the MICA-NG, MBDA estates 40% more range while maintaining the same weight (but with dual-pulse motor), wonder if they arent doing a similar thing to ASRAAM
It can be used for BVR I’m pretty sure there is a image somewhere in this forum mentioning it can be used for BVR
I would think that one of the things they’d upgrade on the Eurofighter if ASRAAM has datalink, is to give PIRATE a laser-rangefinder so the IRST can guide the ASRAAM in even if the radar was notched or facing jamming.
The IRST can already get target data passively without needing a laser.
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It can be used in BVR.
Is that not information only for initial targeting due to varying inaccuracy? Otherwise what’s preventing it from providing datalink to the aim-120?
In reality? Nothing. Ingame? The devs decision not to let the IRST to be used for LOAL of ARH missiles.
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The report to have the IRST use ARHs for launching only alleged that the PIRATE had the capability to initially launch the ARH missiles, nothing that I’ve seen alleged continuous midcourse guidance.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yLTLXyw6s9tj
If the IRST can locate a target precise enough to initially launch an ARH missile, why shouldn’t it be able to give mid-course updates? It’s not like the IRST stops seeing the target after launch. It should even get more precise the longer it looks at the target as more data can be extrapolated from the movement vectors. The target even has to be only rougly located so the ARH seeker knows in which area to look for the target even if the precision is off by >100 m (this can be problematic in airspaces where other aircarft could be present you don’t want to attack).
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I feel that not including an LRF in the IRST of Pirate doesn’t affect it negatively in most A2A engagements, LRF in air is limited anyway , OLS-35 LRF works for up to 20km for air targets at which range the ARH seeker head of the missile would lock anyway, Rafale apparently has 40km laser range (idk if on ground or air targets) so that’s better but still a niche function.
Launching ARH missiles at long ranges using IRST only will always be worse because your track data will be incomplete (missing concrete range data) and at the ranges where there is range data the lost energy is low enough it won’t matter unless the target does some crazy maneuvers.
Still wish Pirate had Laser designator+LRF like F-35 or smth to have brims without TGP
Though… once we get actual Brimstones… Wont need it either
Let me posit another question to you, if the RWR of the Eurofighter/Rafale/F-35 is precise enough to initially launch an ARH missile, why shouldn’t it be able to provide mid-course updates so long as the hostile radar is still emitting?