Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

I think between AESA and the ability to fire AMRAAMs with a LOT of energy, BVR is fine with C5 fixes.

The BVR buff I think we need more than anything right now is BOL fixes

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Which fixes would that entail for both C5 and BOL?

C5. Narrow the beam width, this would make it harder to chaff. Its also missing kinematic performance at long range. Finally a smokeless motor would help a lot with the contrail changes. Allow for some stealthier shots

BOL is totally ahistorical and the chaff should be about 4x more effective than it is currently at a minimum. The BOL flares get really complicated but would also be a LOT stronger

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are you sure those arent just marketing lies?

In all seriousness though, I’d really like that. Maybe AMRAAMS wouldn’t be completely useless that way, That’d be nice.

How is the effectiveness of Chaff measured? Where’s the figure of 4x come from? Not doubting you in the slightest btw. I am just curious

The current mass of each chaff packet is 1/4 that of what it should be IRL which should be akin to a standard calibre chaff, but stronger for various reasons. Let me find the breakdown

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Beat me to it. Yeah, this @HakwHunt flames full write up on BOL

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That’s an excellent writeup indeed.
Seems that the original effectiveness should indeed be reinstated. Then again, currently BVR is already easy enough in the defense.

Bear in mind that I am objectively not good at top tier combat. But anytime I’ve died to a WVR radar missile I would probably have died too with the more effective BOL launcher.

I get way to close and then get a MICA or R77 shoved somewhere the sun does not shine because I cannot notch in time anyway.

It would be most useful up close though.

But it impacts loads of aircraft so is really important

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That’'s a fair point it impacts tonnes of stuff.

I mean I never meant to imply I was against reinstating the original effectiveness.

is https://www.eurofighter.com legit?

Yes, that’s the official website

In theory it should, constantly changing pulse frequency should make it much harder for the RWR to associate targets, as they could be operating in two completely different bands,
I’m pretty sure though the varying frequency and short pulse length should see the missile filtered out as clutter as I’m sure RWR filters look for energy spikes across a frequency range which is adjusted for background noise, meaning the RWR would see a momentary spike appear at one frequency and then a pulse of a different period and different peak at a different frequency

Depends on how LPI is implemented. The easiest form is using the minimal power and gradually reducing it with shortening distance, always operating slightly above the limit of the Signal-to-noise ratio. This causes the RWR to think the target is further away than it is and/or that it’s stationary as the signal power isn’t rising. Frequency hopping is another method, pulse-compression exists too and many more.

Just a thought the eurofighter EJ200 engines were built with a 30% performance growth in mind as the engine matured throughout its lifetime. Is there potentially a case here that with the new radar the improved engines are needed to power the new radar? AESA radars need significantly more power you couldn’t just drop in ECRS and expect it to powered adequately there has to of been some kind of improved power delivery to power the radar set of ECRS. Am I just grasping at straws?

kinda lol.
IDK about ecrs, but irbis for example, the new radar the su-30sm2 (that it shouldnt have) was tested on a su-30 with the old al-31f engines, while the plane that actually uses irbis has the al-41f1s engines which have about 16% more thrust. But even with the old engines it could still use the new, more powerful radar.
New engines aren’t required for a new radar, even if it has much increased power draw

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It’s me letting the monkey in my head smash the symbols 😅 was just a thought as I know for some planes it has been needed. I guess the test bed Su30 might not of allowed the radar set to operate at its full potential with al31fs? But we will never know.

I’ve been trawling the web to see if any of the thrust improvement programs for the EJ200 have gone anywhere yet as the plan was to have the 120kn engines potentially as early as 2010 just don’t know if it progressed any further

There is some evidence to suggest the current engine output is a peacetime setting that could be increased if needed at the cost of reduced lifetime / increased maintanence.

I dont think there is any connection here though.

The thought of the 120kn EJ200 engines would be so juicy in game though you’d be getting around 54000lbs of thrust if my brain is braining correctly

Though just trawling the web apparently engine upgrades are needed for implementation of ECRS

Now Imagine EJ230s… with 102kn and TVC