Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

[Morvran]

@Patriotic_panda

do you have any source saying the french one CANNOT take 8 micas? youre the one advocating they be removed so the burden of proof falls on you

Proving a negative… wow. Good job there.

I guess you’ll have to provide a primary doc stating the Typhoon cannot carry 18x Brimstones.

@Patriotic_panda

youd still bug report it, rather than letting it be a gameplay balance thing, and if not you, than any one of the eurofighter fanboys will

As has been stated. Gunjob’s doc. Hes probably already provided it in his internal report/suggestion as a senior tech mod. Nothing to report.

But sure… Keep complaining.

@Patriotic_panda

and theres the british trials saying the 9M is defeated by slow rise flares, so

Yep, and? We dont have those in game yet. There is also docs for additional modes of IRCCM not modeled. But kinda a mute point. We should have ASRAAM not Aim-9Ms.

@Patriotic_panda

i have, if you would like to go back and read my points, youll see in plain text why having 18 fire and forget brimstones that ignore smoke, would be bad for gameplay

Again, please go back and re-read previous comments, you are the only one saying that we would have 18x FnF.

@Patriotic_panda

how about we just remove brimstones entirely

Sure, along with AASM. Still have yet to see a single primary doc that states they can track a moving target like they can in game.

@Patriotic_panda

if they were arhs then you would but no one has 5th gen IR missiles, so (tho mica IR would still beat them)

Kinematically, they are the same and no they wouldnt. ASRAAM beats MICA IR beyond point blank range and IRIS-T beats MICA IR at point blank range.

I know, shock horror, French weapon system isnt defacto the best.

@Patriotic_panda

i have a LOT of experience with 9Ms, maybe not as much as you, granted, but enough to know exactly what i am talking about,

Then Id suggest paying attention next time.

@Patriotic_panda

good luck hitting anything at 15km.

Never said you can. Lock range =/= kinematic range. But 6-8km in a headon, at alt… 100% possible. Maximise the advantage of the smokeless motor.

@Patriotic_panda

a single photograph thats not backed up by use in real life

and?

Like the mockups of the Rafale with 8x MICA EM.

3 wing pylons for A2G.

inner usually runs dual PW4s
middle usually runs external fuel tank
outer usually runs Brimstones.

taking both PW4s and Brimstones maximises flexibility and loadout effeciency. Especially in operations against mostly soft targets. If anything were to go hot in the east. You can bet that youd have Typhoons with 12-18x Brimstones 3s deployed

but talking to you is just talking in circles.

So if you want. try and bug report the typhoon only having 6-12x Brimstones. FnF will come sooner rather than later to the Typhoon.

[Dontkev-psn]

@MythicPi

Its even worse if you use cockpit displays, since in their infinite wisdom, gaijin use different RWR threat databases for the in-game overlay and the MFD display, which is increadibly problematic, since you end up with most new aircrafts being added just showing up as a “?” in cockpit even if the RWR can ID the threat -_-

thats how I noticed it, because something was an U on Cockpit RWR, while my Radar could ID it as Su-27

[Morvran]

I’ve blocked that guy. Clearly just trolling at this point.

Some people really dont like the idea of the Typhoon being modeled Historically accurately

[MythicPi]

Yeah, and they aint in a rush to fix it either…

[Dontkev-psn]

Tbf, the last report for the missing NCTR database update was fixed pretty fast

[Patriotic_panda]

@Morvran_

Proving a negative… wow. Good job there.

you literally told me to prove a negative first earlier lmao

@Morvran_

I guess you’ll have to provide a primary doc stating the Typhoon cannot carry 18x Brimstones.

you said there were documents to support it having 18, but wont show them

@Morvran_

But sure… Keep complaining.

you do enough senseless complaining for the both of us

@Morvran_

We dont have those in game yet.

we do lol

@Morvran_

here is also docs for additional modes of IRCCM not modeled

same with magic 2 oh well

@Morvran_

We should have ASRAAM not Aim-9Ms.

Patriotic_panda:

and we should have mica ir, not magic 2s

@Morvran_

Again, please go back and re-read previous comments, you are the only one saying that we would have 18x FnF.

youre advocating for both 18 brimstones and mmw capability, 1+1 = 2

@Morvran_

Sure, along with AASM. Still have yet to see a single primary doc that states they can track a moving target like they can in game.

documents make mention of mid course corrections for moving targets

@Morvran_

Kinematically, they are the same and no they wouldnt. ASRAAM beats MICA IR beyond point blank range and IRIS-T beats MICA IR at point blank range.

tell me, whats the suspected range of the asraam

@Morvran_

Then Id suggest paying attention next time.

i do, and havent had any issues

@Morvran_

Like the mockups of the Rafale with 8x MICA EM.

where are the mockups? all ive seen is actual flying examples

@Morvran_

FnF will come sooner rather than later to the Typhoon.

at no point have i ever argued against the typhoon ever having fire and forget missiles, ive been arguing against them getting 18 missiles with no counterplay

@Morvran_

but talking to you is just talking in circles.

youre absolutely right, but not for the reason you think

[Dontkev-psn]

My god, get your ass over there if you 2 want fight…

Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield

Here you gonna have a thread for all your disscussions comparing the Eurofighter and the Rafale so that their threads dont have to go off-topic every so often. So freely disscuss here if the Brimstone seeker is bad or the Rafale overperforming. have fun^^

[MythicPi]

NCTR or RWR? Cuz NCTR is for the radar

[Patriotic_panda]

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[Dontkev-psn]

I know, thats why I said NCTR…

[quartas121]

@Patriotic_panda

ive been arguing against them getting 18 missiles with no counterplay

why not just add the chaff smokes to everything past a certain br

[MythicPi]

Well we were talking about the in-cockpit RWR threat database, so bringing up NCTR was out of left field

[Dontkev-psn]

Not realy, the NCTR had an similar issue,>missing planes…)))))

[Patriotic_panda]

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[quartas121]

something to do with the GHz right? i kind of doubt its actually that impervious, if its true then they can just make chaff smokes cover all mmw weaponry

[Dontkev-psn]

Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield

Here you gonna have a thread for all your disscussions comparing the Eurofighter and the Rafale so that their threads dont have to go off-topic every so often. So freely disscuss here if the Brimstone seeker is bad or the Rafale overperforming. have fun^^

[Morvran]

This is what has been stated.

Just like how Gaijin doesnt really model IR signatures properly or the fact that every single smoke bar ESS blocks TVD (even those on WW2 tanks as far as I am aware) Im guessing that theyd add Chaff-Smoke that blocks all MMW.

[Patriotic_panda]

itd be better if they just limited it to 6 missiles and can smoke, that puts it in parody with every other cas jet

[MythicPi]

Sure, but NCTR gets fixed quick cuz it applies to RB, in-cockpit RWR threat database doesnt get fixed quick cuz SB. I think the Rafale might still be unknown in the cockpit RWR display for example.

[quartas121]

or they could add 28 GBU-53 to the F-15E and 28 SPICE 250 to F-15I, and GBU-53 to F-16C, so it has counterparts similar in number.

maybe even JAGM-F’s for something really similar, but the GBU-53’s have a cooler name