SAL Brimstone 2s = MMW?
Interesting…
Though actually. MMW is no more unreasonable than IR AASMs
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are you baiting or, like?, and yes, 18 MMW brimstones, is, as an objective fact, more unreasonable than 6 hammers you can actually decoy with smoke, unless you count their GPS, which only properly works on the dedicated GPS version and the laser, GPS does nothing on IR weapons, additionally relying on GPS is relying on the target not to move, which only works against SPAA
God damn people like parroting nonsense
Lets start here.
Yes the Typhoon can carry 18x Brimstones, it is a superior weapon system and aircraft combo. We know this. Its why the Typhoon is the best IRL.
However, if the ONLY reason to not add FnF is because it can carry so many… then add a mitigation method other than SAL and Brimstone 1s…
Like making SP cost increase after taking 6-9x Brimstones significantly. Or capping the number you can take… There are solutions to the quantity. The only real limit is how much effort Gaijin can put in. But we already have 16x FnF on helis… So…
and im expecting the US to get 20x GBU-53s with IR guidance any day now. I dont think Gaijin cares about quantity that much
There is smoke that exists to defeat MMW. Granted doesnt work against Brimstones… but when has that ever stopped Gaijin.
And?
The Typhoons Primary A2G weapon at the moment is the Paveway IV… A GPS +SAL weapon. Its not even a glide bomb. Thankfully its one of the few bombs not bugging out at the moment
Fact. The Typhoon is the only 13.0 CAS aircraft without FnF.
We Know that mode 3 Brimstones would be very strong… Only if there was a LOBL mode like mode 2…
We can carry many more…
But, it is time for some form of FnF and/or half decent form of stand-off weapon.
If they continue to refuse MMW.
Spear-Glides. (Basically Spice-250s) Along with SAL Brimstones 2s.
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theres actually no evidence it carries 18 IRL, i know theres the picture of it with 18 in the hanger but can you actually find an image of it in an attacker role with more than 6?
i have 3 reports from 3 different nations putting the rafale ahead of the eurofighter
its not the only reason, i never said that, its PART of the reason sure, because 1 eurofighter could kill an entire team
and how long until someone like you tries to bug report that?
being a glide bomb or not really doesnt make a difference? you can lob GPS bombs just fine, i certainly do
id totally be okay with the smart gliders (alternative name of spears) as the rafale can also carry 18 of them
Because it hasnt needed to carry that many. During OP shader Paveway IVs were just as useful to equip as Brimstones. Especially as Brimstones 2s were only fitted in 2018 and so the Paveway IVs did all the CAS in Libya and the main starter chunk in Op Shader…
But this is such a bad attempt at nerfing the Typhoon its actually quite funny
congrats? Can the Rafale carry 18x AASMs?
The fact you are here arguing against Typhoon buffs tells me everything I need to know. I can think of about 20 reports that would put the Typhoon massively ahead of the Rafale from FM buffs, to CM buffs, to loadout. heck even CAPTOR-E is way more advanced than the Rafales radar
and? Rafale can kill half a team usually in a single pass and be safely back to base before any of them hit. Typhoon has to loiter over the battlefield killing something one at a time.
Probably already reported by Gunjob. But its Gaijins decision at the end of the day.
It helps. spamming 16x GBU-39s beats out 8x PW4s.
Is there any evidence of this?
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the french rafale F3 hasnt equipped 8 missiles because he hasnt needed to.
so what im hearing is, it doesnt carry them, and theres no proof that it can
not as bad as your attempt at a nerf of the rafales empty weight lmao
the eurofighter can even take 18 brimstones so moot point lmao
see now you show your hand, youre arguing in bad faith, nowhere am i arguing against buffing the typhoon, i am arguing against a game breaking mechanic
only took them about a decade
so can the F-16I, F-15, Su-30 difference is, with the exception of the F-16I, those all get only 6 fire and forget AGMs, and can be smoked
we both know thats what you want
the GBU-39 cant kill anything outside of SPAA without a direct hit, so again, moot point
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/smartglider-light-air-launched-guided-weapon/
I have yet to see any proof of that…
Yes, there is plenty of proof.
Not as bad as Mutala attempted to nerf the Brimstone that resulted in quite a sizable buff for the Brimstone.
Yes, it can. I get it, Rafale main jealous of the superior eurocanard. Dont worry, some day France will catch up to the Typhoon IRL.
You are arguing against FnF
Or you are trying to badly argue against the Typhoon having 18x Brimstones.
what next? Gunna argue against the ability for the Typhoon to carry AMRAAM?
Sure. Of course I want it as good as it can be. Just like how Rafale mains want the MICA EM to be even more stupidly OP than it already is.
Neither can Brimstones half the time… So… ?
A digital render. Great evidence
Looking forward to this if that is the best you’ve got
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look at the indian rafale F3R, literally the same plane, they just actually put on 8 missiles
a single photograph of a mockup does not count
okay? im not upset that the brimstone got a buff.
belgium, canada and switzerland all put the rafale above the Eurofighter by a wide margin
i am arguing against a mechanic that will have little to no counterplay, you even admitted that previously
you cannot have both 18 brimstones and be fire and forget, you can have 1 or the other, and gaijin agrees with me
no? see youre arguing in bad faith again, or youre incapable of figuring out what im actually arguing against, i dont know which one would be worse
i just want more range lmao, the seeker “buff” did little to nothing for the mica, its strength comes from gaijin adding angle gating, and how fast the mica is,
i dont know what you were trying to point out with this one, your comment was about GPS bombs to which i said you can lob them for more range, not needing a glide kit, which isnt even true, you have JDAM ERs.
difference is, mine comes from an official expo
yours is a painting anyone could have done
youre 0/10 on points
India =/= France.
Youll have to provide a primary doc stating nothing changed
Im sure Flame and Gunjob have plenty of docs for it. But go ahead, bug report it.
It has plenty of counterplay, the exact same counterplay as the AASM.
Why not?
As I have stated previously
Denying FnF on the grounds that the Typhoon and Tornado can carry 18 is the most stupid argument in the world
and Gaijin has not stated anything anywhere about quantity being an issue.
and I just want Aim-120Bs to have IRL performance, let alone Aim-120C5s. Or Aim-9Ms to have their IRL lock ranges. Let alone HOBS.
Spear-glide, slated for the Typhoon, Its brother the Spear-3 has already been test fired from a Typhoon
Given they are being deveoped by MBDA UK. They’ll likely be tested on the Typhoon first and are already slated for both F-35 and Typhoon intergration
The Spear Glide is less than 2 metres long and has a mass under 100 kg, and exploits existing launchers such as the three-pack and four-pack designed for Spear. MBDA aims at the fourth-generation market, so aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen, and KAI KF-21. That said, the company is close to certify an internal weapons-bay launcher for the F-35. No range indication was provided, as this depends much on release altitude and wind conditions. EDR On-Line understood the range should be comparable with that of competing systems, such as the GBU-53/B Storm Breaker and the Spice 250. - source
I havent seen the Rafale mentioned once in any press release for the Spear-Glide beyond the model in the background. That isnt enough to bug report them
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correct, but the planes, are in fact, the same, which was my point, another one goes over your head,
you, LITERALLY, just said, 5 minutes ago it should ignore chaff in tank smoke, and seeing how this has gone so far, you will push for it endlessly
are you missing the point intentionally? you have to be, i have mentioned it like 5 times
so youd be okay with france having MMW AASMs?
not wanting 18 uncounterable missiles really isnt an illogical thing
sure, go ahead, tho, something tells me youll still whine about the micas close range performance, additionally, the 9M can already lock further than they can reach anyway, so what would even be the point
if mockups are good enough for 18 brimstones, theyre good enough for 18 smart gliders, but i will say you did actually counter me a little congratulations
Got a primary source stating that or is it just a “trust me bro”
IRL, it would… But doesnt mean Gaijin has to model it that way. Absolutely no one has said it needs that ability.
Its not exactly the first time. Got primary docs for 9Ls being 100% resistant to flares if the target is on re-heat. They still get 1 flare defeated all the time no matter what.
You have yet to give a reason why.
As I have stated, there is plenty of options for mitigation in GRB, but WT =/= GRB.
Whatever method is chosen should not impact ARB/ASB as that would suck just as much as not having them in the first place.
6x FnF Brimstone = 6x FnF AASM
9x FnF brimstones = 1.5x the SP cost of 6x FnF AASM. Etc etc etc.
As I have stated multiple times. Or are you just intentionally missing the point? You have to be, I have mentioned it like 5 times.
Sure, if they existed, first Ive ever heard about them though.
Why? In the same update they wrote a 3 paragraph long rant about why Brimstones would be too OP they added the Su-34 with 6x KH-38MTs and this was 9 months before the IRIS-T SLM finally began countering the Su-34 and later the Su-30. (and to this day, there is no evidence the KH-38MT ever existed)
Gaijin doesnt care about these kinds of things.
Of course, as we dont have our equivalent, the IRIS-T or ASRAAM
Clearly never used them. This is unture. dozens of times Ive had the target in the LSZ (let alone in range) and could not fire. Especially in front aspect where the lock range is only 3km against AB target (should be 14.45km) and good luck getting any front aspect lock against something not on AB.
tiny plastic mockup = actual Typhoon with 18x Brimstones actually mounted onto the wings supported by docs and other information? Sure. You tell yourself that
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Radar:
Says Su-27 to the J-11B makes sense…
RWR: Runs them under Mig-29, oh, and the J-11B is missing
do you have any source saying the french one CANNOT take 8 micas? youre the one advocating they be removed so the burden of proof falls on you
youd still bug report it, rather than letting it be a gameplay balance thing, and if not you, than any one of the eurofighter fanboys will
and theres the british trials saying the 9M is defeated by slow rise flares, so
i have, if you would like to go back and read my points, youll see in plain text why having 18 fire and forget brimstones that ignore smoke, would be bad for gameplay
how about we just remove brimstones entirely
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946390096997912647/1424965847427973202/Frances_New_AASM_XLR_Smart_Bomb_Doubles_the_Rafale_Fighters_Strike_Range-a6f781f4.png?ex=68e92a1c&is=68e7d89c&hm=4d67a735ccc59f21babf55f63f6e8f1d0086489ce22a93bae177628d9fbeeea3& they were shown off at the paris air show just this year, so youd be 100% okay with this with no way to decoy them
yes, a max of 6 KH-38s, and id be okay with the 38T getting removed, but they wont so whatever
if they were arhs then you would but no one has 5th gen IR missiles, so (tho mica IR would still beat them)
i have a LOT of experience with 9Ms, maybe not as much as you, granted, but enough to know exactly what i am talking about,
good luck hitting anything at 15km.
a single photograph thats not backed up by use in real life
this also exists
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iirc the N001 the Su-27/J-11/J-11A use is basicly an upscaled N019 from the MiG-29, which is why they all come up as MiG-29 in RWR. Just something you gotta play around.
Its even worse if you use cockpit displays, since in their infinite wisdom, gaijin use different RWR threat databases for the in-game overlay and the MFD display, which is increadibly problematic, since you end up with most new aircrafts being added just showing up as a “?” in cockpit even if the RWR can ID the threat -_-
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Proving a negative… wow. Good job there.
I guess you’ll have to provide a primary doc stating the Typhoon cannot carry 18x Brimstones.
As has been stated. Gunjob’s doc. Hes probably already provided it in his internal report/suggestion as a senior tech mod. Nothing to report.
But sure… Keep complaining.
Yep, and? We dont have those in game yet. There is also docs for additional modes of IRCCM not modeled. But kinda a mute point. We should have ASRAAM not Aim-9Ms.
Again, please go back and re-read previous comments, you are the only one saying that we would have 18x FnF.
Sure, along with AASM. Still have yet to see a single primary doc that states they can track a moving target like they can in game.
Kinematically, they are the same and no they wouldnt. ASRAAM beats MICA IR beyond point blank range and IRIS-T beats MICA IR at point blank range.
I know, shock horror, French weapon system isnt defacto the best.
Then Id suggest paying attention next time.
Never said you can. Lock range =/= kinematic range. But 6-8km in a headon, at alt… 100% possible. Maximise the advantage of the smokeless motor.
and?
Like the mockups of the Rafale with 8x MICA EM.
3 wing pylons for A2G.
inner usually runs dual PW4s
middle usually runs external fuel tank
outer usually runs Brimstones.
taking both PW4s and Brimstones maximises flexibility and loadout effeciency. Especially in operations against mostly soft targets. If anything were to go hot in the east. You can bet that youd have Typhoons with 12-18x Brimstones 3s deployed
but talking to you is just talking in circles.
So if you want. try and bug report the typhoon only having 6-12x Brimstones. FnF will come sooner rather than later to the Typhoon.
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thats how I noticed it, because something was an U on Cockpit RWR, while my Radar could ID it as Su-27
I’ve blocked that guy. Clearly just trolling at this point.
Some people really dont like the idea of the Typhoon being modeled Historically accurately
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Yeah, and they aint in a rush to fix it either…
Tbf, the last report for the missing NCTR database update was fixed pretty fast