Yeah fair enough. Tbh they could add YF-22 and maybe YF-23 now that EFT going to be added to game. though for YF-23 theyd have to do a little bit of yak 141 treatment.
The problem is they decided on an IIRC largely arbitrary endurance requirement to be included in the article. Then excluded the Lightning on the assumption that as it had infamously poor endurance, it probably wouldn’t meet their requirement (IIRC no one actually made an effort to work out if it did).
I’ve been meaning to dive into the lightning manual sometime and work out what its supercruise endurance actually was. But frankly I’ve always had far more important things to be doing than getting involved in a Wikipedia edit war.
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not sure about irl but the mirage f1c can supercruise with a full missile payload at ~15 mins of fuel or lower
I would be amazed if US mains arent complaining about the performance of the Typhoon they seem to think no one else ever built a credible aircraft.
F-16 fm is stupid it needs it needs it’s G limiter reinstated.
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Thats your most expensive event/premium vehicle
would be so cool as a squad vehicle though. maybe the YF-22 event, YF-23 squadron or something like that
Perfect
full is 10 isnt it?, SRAAMs can get one double pylon, 8 if you wanna take more mraams
Supercruise speed has never been an issue on any jet in War Thunder.
And flight models of modern aircraft haven’t been issues outside the simplistic flight model architecture causing nuanced issues [such as the ability to do a cobra impacting overall drag, which was somewhat fixed last major update].
This post is also a good idea:
Its a combination of a low drag and high enough thrust on 100% power.
Its easily achievable in the current game as gaijin has already implemented movable intake ramps. (If the EEL is possible & accurate, so can other aircraft)
Part of the super cruise requirement is to have a useful payload for the type of aircraft.
F15E can technically maintain supersonic speeds without afterburner, but it has to be in a clean configuration and low fuel - So it fails the “useful payload” requirement, there are a large number of aircraft that fall into this category.
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It took a good while for us to get it there with the EEL the lightning bug report saga was painful
Could anyone give me a bit of a TLDR on what a Eurofighter likes, bfm wise?
Does it rate well? So do I 2 circle people? Does it have a decent radius? do I 1 circle them.
Pretty sure we can take any jet in the game into the vertical since the EJ200s run on pure magic apparantly.
If gaijin models it well, (big IF btw) then it should have all the strengths of both the F-15A and Gripen flight models mixed together, amazing thrust, amazing AoA, incredible sustained rate performance (one of the only aircraft in the world able to sustain a 9G turn until it runs out of fuel, AKA infinite rate in a wt dogfight) while also having great nose authority. When it comes I will personally be flying it like a J-10 in terms of aiming to use the nose authority to wiggle my way onto someone’s tail but it can really be played however you want:
Vertical spiral - beats everything in game
2 circle flat rate - beats most in game
1 circle - beats most in game
sim toggling - hopefully similar to the J-10 during a dogfight
Cherry on top is that it gets MAW and BOL rails so IRCCM missiles like R-73 become a non-issue
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and a rather insane radar
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Dang, that sounds crazy. Yeah big IF on the flightmodel not being butchered. But I remember the ridiculously hard stompings the Gripens dished out before it 3? rounds of nerfs and its still good.
I suppose I can 2 circle anything that isnt a Hornet or a Viper and I’ll 1 circle those?
What should it, theoretically do, vs Gripen or a Rafale?
Rafale is a better 1 circle fighter, so it will have better nose authority but has a worse TWR so will struggle against the typhoon in most other manoeuvres.
Against a Gripen the Typhoon is a clear victor, can’t really see any situations where the gripen would prevail under equally skilled pilots
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Okay thanks. Adding Rafale to the list of 2 circle targets.
Lucky for the Gripen pilots btw, Im probably worse than they are so I’ll help drop the WR for the Eurofighter so it doesnt get nerfed so hard
Apologies it took me to so long to respond, I wasn’t being rude, I was just double checking and going through both threads, I debated ignoring you but that did feel rude.
That said, I don’t like your use of paraphrasing, it misrepresents what I have said in either Eurofighter thread wholly and substantially, and is slanderous. If I did say anything to that effect which I don’t believe I did, then I eat my words and apologise now.
I would however appreciate it if you quoted me rather than paraphrased, lots of your paraphrasing is commendably well worded to deliberately make it out as if I made more idiotic claims/assertions than I did actually make, indeed several are not even me and the ones that seemingly are don’t actually convey the same message that I did.
To ensure you do not misrepresent me again, please stick to quotes.
Well its a good job we have figures which will allow for it to be represented as accurately as possible excluding the positive lift canard/instructor can’t handle it debacle. I think they should replace the instructor as a no.1 priority as this is also what screws the Flankers I believe.
Yeah but you’re not going to suggest that thats a better option than a PD MAWS as well as the more than likely present RWR based MAWS, what if the missile isn’t active (I know datalink provides an ECM signature and can therefore alert you to the presence of a missile).
MAWS is PIRATE’s secondary role to be honest its just one of several layers, the primary reason for its development was the UK’s fear that Soviet 5th gens + advanced ECM they expected the Soviets to field would make their 5th gens virtually immune to any sort of radar guidance and on-par with the F-22 in the ‘don’t be seen/shot at’ category when it came to radar detection.
Apologies, I meant to specify 2-way datalink as that allows terminal guidance which as far as i’m aware, 1-way datalink cannot provide.
Indeed it does, but there’s a few things here:
Firstly, I have always held the position that 5th gens should only ever fight other 5th gens.
Secondly, I never used the word inferior. In an A2A air superiority role I would 100% agree F-22 wins, simulations have shown it and the package is designed as such, though it does lack individual features, such as a capable long range IRST or HMS, or PD MAWS.
Thirdly ECM isn’t in-game, you know that as well as I do.
Fourthly, that relies on Gaijin implementing it with its correct features and range, RAM is specifically mentioned as creating high surface friction increasing the detection range for IRST’s and if you read my other comment further up about PIRATE where I actually linked a report which specifically mentions that IR suppression leads to a black hole which actually makes it easier for the software to detect the thermal signature.
Fifth(ly) its interesting you use a mocking tone when the US and Japan have both pursued IRST’s based on either PIRATE as a system or its operating principles. Some examples are the IRST on the Japanese F-15, the Legion, the IRST 21, and the seemingly pod-mounted F-22 IRST, also it was pursued under the F-22’s development to integrate IRST into the UV MAWS but never employed afaik.
Sixth, I never said ASRAAM was gonna dome an F-22 from 100km away, just that it was a better missile than AIM-9X which was absolutely true until BLK 2 and arguably is still true based on what is frankly a better engagement principle.
Seventh, I never said Eurofighter beat F-22 in WVR funnily enough, in the comment you quoted I literally said ‘anything up to the F-22’.
What actually happened was people compared individual systems and made the assertion that it would be the best 4th gen fighter to counter the F-22 given the extensive systems and fusion, you made many incorrect claims (as did I) we were both educated and i’m sure have taken extensive notes from the discussion. What didn’t happen at least from my mouth was me saying the Eurofighter was flat-out better than the F-22, ever.
Regards.
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I mean I would wait for dev to see how they model it, but given they have already modelled the J-10 and gripen, i really see no excuse to fuck up the typhoon and rafale since they will be similar but with more thrust