Pilot opinions (while cool) are notoriously unreliable
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Cant wait for inevitable butchered eurofighter FM because lack of data and no one being able to bug report it. The super cruise speed is going to be one of those that will be big issue point
I found enough things in the archive that I doubt it will be an issue.
There are two manufacturers websites saying Mach 1.5 supercruise. So hopefully that is enough.
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You should be able to get at least mach 1.3 in an interceptor configuration, mach 1.5 was mentioned twice at least but ive never seen the loadout specified.
gaijin has to butcher the flight model because they cant model negative stability.
1.5 mach is clean btw, 1.2 - 1.3 is with a2a loadout which includes some fuel tanks
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To be fair this is also why the Gripen seemingly overperforms, so in this case it might end up somewhere similar in terms of overperforming.
Apparently they can’t model the negative stability due to the instructor and given that is also part of why flankers are so abysmal, perhaps its time for an instructor overhaul.
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So basically it will match the performance of an F3 burning through it’s fuel on max reheat without touching the reheat at all 🤣
Gunna make such a difference in terms of range and combat effectiveness not needing to have an insanely hot aircraft all the time
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yall are also gonna be angry bcs the canards wont move how they should
Mach 1.3 supercruise with full AA loadout?
Where do I sign?
2.5minutes to Mach 1.5 at 35k ft my reason for saying the supercruise is going to be a problem point is well gaijin trying to figure out how it’s possible without creating a completely broken FM. We all know the engine really struggles with trying to FM without it having some trade off somewhere else. Gripen and tornado being a prime example of that.
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Lmao… there we go then, I honestly wasn’t expecting it to be possible I suppose semi-recessed pylons help with that. Are we considering ‘full’ to be 8 AAM’s or 6?.
This is the same as what’s shown in the background of BAE’s Striker 2 demo as well, albeit alongside the rastered NV overlay, and with coloured symbology that the Striker 2 adds
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Is that your standard NVD or like night-time AR display based on the jets sensors?
I’m also really curious to see what the picture-in-picture function is like, particularly the resolution.
We also have plenty of documentation showing Gripen’s significantly underperforming across the board, but that doesn’t stop them killing it. I suspect it will be a fight for any of the Eurodeltas to have a half competent fm.
Eurofighter will be the first jet in WT to supercruse above 1.2 Mach? Do we know what are the kind of altitudes and if it is clean or with missiles?
We do? Id originally heard the gripen was significantly overperforming prior to its multiple minor FM nerfs. Still seems like a strong aircraft but more in-line with what I’d expect.
I could be wrong (I got yelled at by the russian fanboys when I simply asked to see their sources for the “Su-27 is MASSIVELY underperforming” claims because I was curious in what way it was underperforming), but I have a nagging feeling a lot of planes in-game a relatively decent FM-wise, but general perception is skewed by how massively the F-16’s overperform.
Like, the Su-27’s are decent in 2c and stunningly dangerous with nose authority, particularly at low speeds. The delta canards like the J-10 and Gripen both seem very strong in the 1c and very consistent in the 2c, which is (to my understanding) a defining feature of delta canard layouts. The american jets, with their penchant towards the EM theory and BVR combat lean heavily on energy retention (2c) and acceleration.
All that to say, I could be entirely wrong, but the only jet where I “feel” there is something definitively wrong with the FM are the F-16’s and their idiotic nose authority despite their horrendous wing loading and just about every single description of them being that they are pure 2c fighters, which they were in-game as well until CC’s like defyn and the likes whined about “compression” and “lack of nose authority”.
I do also think ppl discussing FM’s in RB is unfair, specifically because those FM’s are a lot more limited to the constraints of the instructor system.
oh sorry, it was mentioned right below your message
The Rafale also supercruises, that aside tho, theres actually very few jets afaik that CAN even supercruise, which has made some americans very angry in the past, as the only thing they’ll ever have that can supercruise are 5th gen jets, and the F-16XL (which will be a neato premium) afaik
(List from wiki, does appear to be missing a few one off prototypes here and there)
As an aside, im sorta surprised the J-10’s cant supercruise, mostly since their aerodynamic layouts are very VERY similar to that of the rafale, but the chinese hadnt really caught up to western engines until very recently afaik, so that might explain the issue there.
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Gripen’s currently underperforming instant aoa wise, sustained wise, and some other stuff I’m not awake enough to recall at present. If you read the more credible sources [manufacturer claims, evaluation documents, studies]. Even the least charitable sources with dubious credibility they used for some of the nerfs, show it underperforms . You’ll come up notably short on the in game figures, before we even consider the struggles it has achieving G loadings demonstrated to achieve relatively easily.
It was relatively correct early into the nerfs (2nd after introduction iirc?), outside of energy retention where it overperformed significantly, and instead of fixing that they just kept nerfing it to the joke of a FM we have now when you compare it to the papers. A lot of the changes weren’t documented either in changelogs, so the few minor nerfs they’ve told us about are compounded by a myriad they haven’t told us about. A lot of people just kept saying “Good” when it got nerfed, and it kept getting nerfed.
Mainly caused by Americans complaining given 3 minor nations received Gripen and we’d all been dealing with significantly worse platforms by that time and were still succeeding. So if these Eurodeltas perform well enough to upset the Americans, I am entirely willing to put coin on the effort needed to undo poorly thought out nerfs being comparable to trying to draw blood from a stone.
Tho this is an EFT thread. This is also probably written terribly, as I’m to take a nap soon. Short and long of it is yes, we know the thing is underperforming compared to sources with some credibility, and even the worst sources they directly used to justify nerfs. And I do worry the same will come of Rafale and EFT. They didn’t listen to us when we pointed out the issues with their reasoning and sources, doubt they’ll listen to other minor nations, especially if folk face the same issues we did where a vocal opposition of major nation players shouted us down and pretended the sources credible in spite of their provenance and circumstance.
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