Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 1)

Dontkev-psn · February 28, 2025, 8:06pm

DASS
is the name, and you can feel the changes allready in the testdrive

Flame2512 · February 28, 2025, 8:09pm

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  "type": "mlws",
  "name": "Praetorian DASS",
  "targetSignatureType": "radar",
  "rcs": 1.0,
  "range": 20000.0,
  "matchSector": 10.0,
  "signalHoldTime": 3.0,
  "closureRateMin": 100.0,
  "angularRateMax": 10.0,
  "targetRangeFinder": true,
  "targetRange": [
    100.0,
    10000.0
  ],
  "signalSfxName": "alarm_launch_detected",
  "threatFlag": "MLWS MISSILE",
  "receivers": {
    "receiver": [
      {

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It’s been changed into a proper radar MAWS

WereCat888 · February 28, 2025, 8:10pm

Thanks, i wonder if they’ll explore adding its ability to detect planes, and apparently do IFF and NCTR on them

kitsune_qq · February 28, 2025, 8:18pm

Spoiler

Basicly can identify target with radar

Metaltank1990 · February 28, 2025, 8:20pm

The radar seems to be… trying to do something? it’s listed as “TWS+” now on devserver and weirdly drifts off the target unless it’s constantly updated (much much worse than live)

Flame2512 · February 28, 2025, 8:23pm

Make sure you submit a report on that behaviour

Metaltank1990 · February 28, 2025, 8:25pm

It seems to be updating the same way rafale does, but slower (as it should) and… wrong? I’m not quite sure i have the resources to do bug reports rn but i’ll see what I can do

kensai16 · February 28, 2025, 8:52pm

They took the 20 km range for 1 m² targets or what does “rcs: 1.0” mean? 20 km should be the range for targets with an RCS of 0,1 m².
What exactly does “signalHoldTime” mean? The time the target has to be detected before it rings the alarm? That would be deadly if the missile was shot at you from a really short range.

Metaltank1990 · February 28, 2025, 8:53pm

I imagine signalHoldTime is the time from losing track which it will hold the signal, so if it detects a missile it will warn you instantly, but if it loses it the warning stays for 3 seconds.

Metaltank1990 · February 28, 2025, 8:54pm

Also, after doing a bit of further looking, eurofighter, gripen, tornado and similar modern aircraft have “TWS+” while jets like mig29 have “TWS”. There must be a difference, but anyone know what it is?

Morvran · February 28, 2025, 9:00pm

Wait we now have PD MAWS?

kensai16 · February 28, 2025, 9:03pm

That indeed makes much more sense :D

Morvran · February 28, 2025, 9:08pm

New radar controls as well. This is an awesome update for behind the scenes stuff

WereCat888 · February 28, 2025, 9:09pm

Important thing to know is how big of a RCS missiles have in WT, i can’t find specific values for them. With the 20km range for 1m RCS the Eurofighter MAWS should have a 11km detection range for AAM and 7km for manpads.
Not bad but still kinda meh, if in the future a Rafale sends a MICA IR or an EF sends a ASRAAM at you you’ll have 10 seconds to react.

luque13 · February 28, 2025, 9:09pm

That’s amazing…most advanced mech Radar in the world cant see a slowly turning MiG 15…

kensai16 · February 28, 2025, 9:12pm

The estimated range of the AMIDS-MAW, judged by antenna sizes and most likely used frequency (94 GHz), is 20 km for 0,1 m² not 1 m² (11 km for 0,01 m² MANPADS). So it’s either an error or they didn’t want to make the MAW as good as it’s said to be.

Different question:
Is the “elevationWidth” of 90° (±45°) correct? Couldn’t find anything about that ad-hoc, but to my knowledge most AESA radars (the AMIDS-MAW of the EF is AESA) have an electronical beam steering width of ±60°. The antennas already cover ±60° in azimuth (otherwise you couldn’t reach a 360° coverage with just three antennas around the plane in the horizontal plane) so it doesn’t make sense to me why they are limited to ±45° in elevation while having ±60° in azimuth.

WereCat888 · February 28, 2025, 9:14pm

Idk but the AMIDS is said to have blind spots, about AMIDS trackers:
“They automatically locate and follow tracks, offering almost total protection, with the exception of a narrow cone in the upper/lower sectors”

Flame2512 · February 28, 2025, 9:16pm

What are the new controls?

kensai16 · February 28, 2025, 9:17pm

Yeah that’s correct. Currently 360° azimuth coverage and 180° elevation. So a 90° blindspot above and below the plane (which I wouldn’t exactly call a “narrow cone”). But as the antennas have ±60° azimuth, I don’t quite understand why they should only have ±45° elevation coverage. Changing elevation to ±60° too would reduce the blindspots above and below to 60° instead of 90°.

Morvran · February 28, 2025, 9:17pm

Major Update “Hornet's Sting” — DEV Server Changelog (28.02.2025)

The method for controlling the tilt of the aircraft radar antenna has been changed. Now, the antenna stabilization mode by elevation angle relative to the world coordinates can be enabled and disabled via a new control called “Switch Radar/IRST gyro stabilization on/off” without going into the game settings. When enabled, the antenna is stabilized by an elevation angle relative to the world coordinates, which is the same as it was before when the “Constant elevation of radar antenna” option was deactivated. When disabled, the antenna stabilizes relative to the aircraft, as it was before with the “Constant elevation of radar antenna”, but now the antenna can be controlled with “Radar/IRST tilt cotrol axis”. A “Reset Radar/IRST direction to boresight” control for quick antenna centering in both axis has also been added.

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