Because they never have before.
and besides, the right time was when the Rafale went from PESA to AESA… Oh wait
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Well, just tried a match in ASB on Tunisia.
Conclusion.
- Every single AMRAAM is just intercepted by an R-77-1.
- Radar failed to find targets multiple times
- A few times narrow track didnt keep the track even at 25-30km
- Even had a Magic II ignore LCMs being deployed by MAWS in front Aspect and couldn’t return fire because I couldnt even find the target visually or on radar
Su-30SM is definetly the meta aircraft in SB right now.
Edit trying a larger map now, had an su-30 on radar according to NCTR, waiting till it was in my LSZ, fired 4 AMRAAMs at it, turns out it was an R-77-1. NCTR is working great
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Yeah, the “spend 20 minutes slowly moving the radar elevation around to find this Su-30 on my RWR before he can shoot me down with his E-Scan radar and then rapidly fire off every missile i’ve got just so that he cant defend by shooting my missile down” gameplay loop of ASB in the Typhoon is just… boring
and thats just when the radar will actually find the target or stay tracking long enough to fire an AMRAAM
I’ll play a match in the typhoon to and see how it goes in a bit. Altho im ngl, you’re kinda cooking yourself by playing such a small map at top tier.
Im now on dover strait and just spending my entire time staring at my radar panel trying to get a lock on the few guys on their team. But fighting Su-30s sucks
I’ve been in this match 20 minutes, fired 10 AMRAAM (at targets within the LSZ), still on 0 kills and 0 deaths
Edit: Game just crashed, CBA to reboot
he says it doesn’t have captor M as a bit because it doesn’t perform like it should
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The regular scan pattern is carried out at 70°/s. However the radar antenna itself is capable of moving at over 300°/s.
The simplest implementation of priority track IRL works as follows:
The radar is set to a 140° wide scan, with however many bars. As the radar beam passes a target’s position in azimuth it will rapidly jump to the target’s elevation, scan the area around the target, then return to where it left off.
Taking a 140° wide 4 bar scan as an example: it would take 8 seconds to complete the scan at 70°/s, meaning in a traditional TWS system targets would be updated every 8 seconds. However with priority track running targets would be updated at least every 2 seconds.
So while no one is claiming priority track is as fast as an AESA a 4x increase in effective scan speed is a pretty big deal (particularly as TWS+ in game seems to be less buggy at higher scan rates).
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Best mech scan Radar ever produced…
Yeah acts the same as a 70s Radar on an F-4…
But GMTI is coming so maybe they fix the Radar overall…
Are you sure? We went through the same scenario like 3-4 times already. Abandon your hopes.
I’m still mad over flight model nerf though… It’s just not fun to play anymore.
Not really to be honest, im sure I saw MFDs and GMTI modes…as a list of proposed changes for Typhoon due this update
So I was gonna make a quick comparison between a couple different top tier radars to try to give a slightly more visual representation of how they “feel” and why I say the CAPTOR-M is so bad compared to other top tier radars, and I ended up comparing most of them cuz I built a table, so here y’all go:
Few of my own notes for different radars here:
APG-65/68/70 (F-15/16/18):
- Generally poor scan volume
- Generally good scan patterns
- Generally decent volumetric scan rates
- Generally good update times
- Just solid radars overall.
- APG-65 specifically has, oddly enough, arguably the best in class narrow scan
CAPTOR-M (EFT):
- Utterly atrocious narrow scan patterns. Effectively worthless at what the narrow scan is intended for, which is to be a large vertical scan in short period of time to allow you to find an enemy in elevation whose azimuth you already have (generally using RWR). Due to this, should only be used in this mode when “tracking” a target in TWS (nullifies the poor/terrible update rate of the radar but is borderline just an STT without the lock warning for the enemy)
- Average scan volumes
- Worst in class volumetric scan rate
- Effectively worst in class ability to find new targets (bad vertical coverage + long scan cycles)
- Only good scan pattern for searching is 60x8.4deg, the rest are worthless.
- Very comparable to N001VEP in values compared on this table (still a better radar though)
- Just a bad Gripen radar
- P-track would help the radar substantially in situational awareness and multi-target tracking
V004 (Su-34):
- Generally the best volumetric scan rate
- Second best update rate
- Second best scan volume
- Objectively the second best top tier radar in-game, but the RBE2-AA still blows it out of the water.
- Very solid radar on a very poor platform
N011M (Su-30SM):
- SUPER weird radar
- Worst in class vertical coverage
- Best in class update rate
- Relatively average scan volume
- Radar scans faster the more it volume it scans???
- Requires a lot of fiddling to get the most out of it, but high potential
- Should never really use anything but wide scan due to how this radar works
- Radar is either massively overperforming in ESA area (currently ~11200 deg^2 in-game instead of 5500 deg^2 according to dev) or massively underperforming in scan volume (600 deg^2 in-game vs 5500 deg^2 according to bug reporters initial interpretation of sources) @sudo_su1 Community Bug Reporting System
RBE2-AA (Rafale):
- Best in class scan volume (and its not even close)
- Very high scan volume + second/third best volumetric scan rate + third best update rate makes it near impossible to hide from the Rafale if it wants to find you
- Best air radar in-game, no contest
Type 1473 (J-10A):
- Surprisingly capable radar
- Decent scan patterns
- Decent scan volume
- Good scan rate
- Probably the best airborne radar China has access to atm
- Not shown in graph but has disgustingly good ±85deg gimbal limits (tied for best in-game with MiG-29SMT and YaK-141)
Type 1493 (J-11B):
- Copy paste of APG-70 for the data compared on this graph, super lazy on gaijins end.
PS-05/A Raven (Gripen):
- Effectively just a CAPTOR-M with better scan volumes
- Considering current WT maps and weapons, its just a straight up better CAPTOR-M
Feel free to lemme know your thoughts and agree/disagree with my conclusions.
P.S: I didnt include any notes on the N001VEP cuz its just the worst “top tier” radar. Its not really worth discussing imo, everyone knows its bad, I included it to show how close the CAPTOR-M is to it in some ways.
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My experience:
Isn’t type 1473 just a copy paste Zhuk radar with less range? Not surprising it’s good.
V004 is such a good radar, shame it’s not on a fighter
N011M IMO is better than the rafale due to the update rate, Rafale’s vertical scans are too big which means it takes very long to find a target compared to say the n011m if you already know the general direction where they’re coming from.
Wish they kept captor M as a copy paste gripen radar, would be better in vertical coverage while still having the same scan rate.
APG series of radars are just good at everything, they don’t excel at anything but not bad at anything either.
In terms of radars (IRL) being able to track targets outside the current search volume or assign higher priority to some tracks, it’s not unique to ESA nor to CAPTOR; Even APG-66/68 which are quite basic as far as modern mech scan radars go can do it …
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Hey @Gunjob, sorry for pinging you, is there a chance we could see this fixed in the next major? Community Bug Reporting System
I don’t want to disrespect the work of the devs, but this same issue was fixed on the Su-30 very quickly during, I think, the 2nd day of Hornet Sting’s dev server.
Just wondering if we can finally get this as well.
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so, it not just me that I feel better using Gripen radar than EFT
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Nope, Gripen radar has better scan volumes than the EFT’s. A decent amount better actually. The EFT has better range, but its irrelevant considering the maps and weapons. The tighter beam on the EFT might help it in some scenarios as well, but I dont think its to the point its noticeable.
Afaik, most if not all ppl who’ve used both have said the Gripens feels much better. I cant comment though since i dont have the Gripen myself.
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Well from my experience I can say I can find target better than Faster than CAPTOR-M
I feel more comfortable using Raven than CAPTOR-M in any mode like 20 percent more comfortable than CAPTOR-M
first, I thought maybe because I’m playing with Gripen lot more times than EFT
but after I saw your table, I don’t think it a case anymore.
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Captor M just wont detect or lock. You see contrails below and to the left. Slew the Radar…and Captor sees nothing.
You are wholly dependent on your team mates spotting targets for you.
You can see it with your Mk1 eyeball and your Radar cannot and it will get you killed.
Captor is held back and I think it is intentionally.
Much like MAWs/DASS and BOL countermeasures.
Typhoon with an AESA Radar would be superior to Rafale/Su-30/F-15 etc and risk breaking the games balance
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