i do not notice a difference between f16/f18/ef radar and any performance deficits that may or may not exist are more than made up for by the euros nctr in my opinion, its not bad its just okay.
That’s true, but atp youre in visual range and can just hmd them very easily. But it is annoying I agree
IK it has it irl, but how would that even work on a mech-scan radar? PESA/AESA it’s obvious how it works on them, but how would it work on a mech-scan? Wouldn’t the refresh rate be utterly horrible?
Not always in SB, especially in look down. (and quite frankly “hard lock with HMD” just screams major radar issue)
@MythicPi did the math, it would update something like every 2-ish seconds. and would be easy to implement with the current code. Remember the CAPTOR-M can move its radar at 333°/sec
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It’s 70 degrees per second, idk where you’re getting 333 from. That is an absurd number.
I also play it mainly in sb, and my stats while not the best, are decent. OFC my rafale stats are much better because rafale is a literal baby plane lol. Su30 stats are also better becuase man that radar carriers it even though its FM is so mid.
Scan rate doesnt = the speed it can move its pedestal
second to last bullet point on the right.
I have straight up stopped playing the Typhoon. I cant be bothered to spend my entire time baby sitting the radar just to have every AMRAAM I fire shot down with ease by an Su-30 with more than double my ARH count (I only run 5 AMRAAM usually)
Its stupid that the best M-Scan radar in the world, cant keep lock on something barely turning and will sometimes straight up not detect something I can see visually from the contrails.
The only solution being “HMD the target” just screams broken radar to me. I have never once needed to “hard lock a contact” in the Tornado F3 until I was ready to actually fire a Skyflash and in the FA2 or Gripen I’ve never had an issue maintaining a track with TWS to guide an AMRAAM or R-Darter
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Broken is a bit of an overstatement, at close range yeah it struggles but so are most other mech scan radars at that range, OFC pesa/aesa radars don’t have any trouble at close range. Radar is meant for long range engagements anyways, at close range you really should be switching to HMD. Yes it means the radar is mid at close range but that’s not unique to the typhoon.
Have you played it recently? The radar is really not that bad compared to what it was before double scan fix, it feels perfectly normal to me. Basically on par with every other mech scan radar. Also how far out are you shooting amraams, usually for me they don’t have to be on data link at all becuase they go either instantly pitbull or they go pitbull in less than 5 seconds.
Again, never struggled with the FA2, Gripen or F3.
It is in my experience, heck, I have an easier time with the Blue Fox than I do with the CAPTOR-M at close range.
I played it tonight, constant ghost contacts, the track was just randomly jumping between real and fake marks and more than once I could barely get it to actually hard lock the thing I was apparently tracking on TWS.
I will still choose Blue Vixen or Foxhunter over it currently any day of the week.
Usually in the LSZ if I can, because firing from any further away from that and they are just instantly defeated
Honestly at this point, I think they should just give us CAPTOR-E. Its pretty clear the US are about to get an F-15 or F-18 with AESA. Japan is about to get AESA. Sweden is about to get AESA. At this rate, we’ll be one of the only nations with a basic M-Scan radar because they probably wont actually model Priority track on a M-Scan radar because “game limitaitons”
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what makes you think they wont give it a new radar when the time is right
Because they never have before.
and besides, the right time was when the Rafale went from PESA to AESA… Oh wait
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Well, just tried a match in ASB on Tunisia.
Conclusion.
- Every single AMRAAM is just intercepted by an R-77-1.
- Radar failed to find targets multiple times
- A few times narrow track didnt keep the track even at 25-30km
- Even had a Magic II ignore LCMs being deployed by MAWS in front Aspect and couldn’t return fire because I couldnt even find the target visually or on radar
Su-30SM is definetly the meta aircraft in SB right now.
Edit trying a larger map now, had an su-30 on radar according to NCTR, waiting till it was in my LSZ, fired 4 AMRAAMs at it, turns out it was an R-77-1. NCTR is working great
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Yeah, the “spend 20 minutes slowly moving the radar elevation around to find this Su-30 on my RWR before he can shoot me down with his E-Scan radar and then rapidly fire off every missile i’ve got just so that he cant defend by shooting my missile down” gameplay loop of ASB in the Typhoon is just… boring
and thats just when the radar will actually find the target or stay tracking long enough to fire an AMRAAM
I’ll play a match in the typhoon to and see how it goes in a bit. Altho im ngl, you’re kinda cooking yourself by playing such a small map at top tier.
Im now on dover strait and just spending my entire time staring at my radar panel trying to get a lock on the few guys on their team. But fighting Su-30s sucks
I’ve been in this match 20 minutes, fired 10 AMRAAM (at targets within the LSZ), still on 0 kills and 0 deaths
Edit: Game just crashed, CBA to reboot
he says it doesn’t have captor M as a bit because it doesn’t perform like it should
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The regular scan pattern is carried out at 70°/s. However the radar antenna itself is capable of moving at over 300°/s.
The simplest implementation of priority track IRL works as follows:
The radar is set to a 140° wide scan, with however many bars. As the radar beam passes a target’s position in azimuth it will rapidly jump to the target’s elevation, scan the area around the target, then return to where it left off.
Taking a 140° wide 4 bar scan as an example: it would take 8 seconds to complete the scan at 70°/s, meaning in a traditional TWS system targets would be updated every 8 seconds. However with priority track running targets would be updated at least every 2 seconds.
So while no one is claiming priority track is as fast as an AESA a 4x increase in effective scan speed is a pretty big deal (particularly as TWS+ in game seems to be less buggy at higher scan rates).
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Best mech scan Radar ever produced…
Yeah acts the same as a 70s Radar on an F-4…
But GMTI is coming so maybe they fix the Radar overall…
Are you sure? We went through the same scenario like 3-4 times already. Abandon your hopes.
I’m still mad over flight model nerf though… It’s just not fun to play anymore.
Not really to be honest, im sure I saw MFDs and GMTI modes…as a list of proposed changes for Typhoon due this update
So I was gonna make a quick comparison between a couple different top tier radars to try to give a slightly more visual representation of how they “feel” and why I say the CAPTOR-M is so bad compared to other top tier radars, and I ended up comparing most of them cuz I built a table, so here y’all go:
Few of my own notes for different radars here:
APG-65/68/70 (F-15/16/18):
- Generally poor scan volume
- Generally good scan patterns
- Generally decent volumetric scan rates
- Generally good update times
- Just solid radars overall.
- APG-65 specifically has, oddly enough, arguably the best in class narrow scan
CAPTOR-M (EFT):
- Utterly atrocious narrow scan patterns. Effectively worthless at what the narrow scan is intended for, which is to be a large vertical scan in short period of time to allow you to find an enemy in elevation whose azimuth you already have (generally using RWR). Due to this, should only be used in this mode when “tracking” a target in TWS (nullifies the poor/terrible update rate of the radar but is borderline just an STT without the lock warning for the enemy)
- Average scan volumes
- Worst in class volumetric scan rate
- Effectively worst in class ability to find new targets (bad vertical coverage + long scan cycles)
- Only good scan pattern for searching is 60x8.4deg, the rest are worthless.
- Very comparable to N001VEP in values compared on this table (still a better radar though)
- Just a bad Gripen radar
- P-track would help the radar substantially in situational awareness and multi-target tracking
V004 (Su-34):
- Generally the best volumetric scan rate
- Second best update rate
- Second best scan volume
- Objectively the second best top tier radar in-game, but the RBE2-AA still blows it out of the water.
- Very solid radar on a very poor platform
N011M (Su-30SM):
- SUPER weird radar
- Worst in class vertical coverage
- Best in class update rate
- Relatively average scan volume
- Radar scans faster the more it volume it scans???
- Requires a lot of fiddling to get the most out of it, but high potential
- Should never really use anything but wide scan due to how this radar works
- Radar is either massively overperforming in ESA area (currently ~11200 deg^2 in-game instead of 5500 deg^2 according to dev) or massively underperforming in scan volume (600 deg^2 in-game vs 5500 deg^2 according to bug reporters initial interpretation of sources) @sudo_su1 Community Bug Reporting System
RBE2-AA (Rafale):
- Best in class scan volume (and its not even close)
- Very high scan volume + second/third best volumetric scan rate + third best update rate makes it near impossible to hide from the Rafale if it wants to find you
- Best air radar in-game, no contest
Type 1473 (J-10A):
- Surprisingly capable radar
- Decent scan patterns
- Decent scan volume
- Good scan rate
- Probably the best airborne radar China has access to atm
- Not shown in graph but has disgustingly good ±85deg gimbal limits (tied for best in-game with MiG-29SMT and YaK-141)
Type 1493 (J-11B):
- Copy paste of APG-70 for the data compared on this graph, super lazy on gaijins end.
PS-05/A Raven (Gripen):
- Effectively just a CAPTOR-M with better scan volumes
- Considering current WT maps and weapons, its just a straight up better CAPTOR-M
Feel free to lemme know your thoughts and agree/disagree with my conclusions.
P.S: I didnt include any notes on the N001VEP cuz its just the worst “top tier” radar. Its not really worth discussing imo, everyone knows its bad, I included it to show how close the CAPTOR-M is to it in some ways.
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