I see it as a yak 141 situation xD give german typhoons their PIRATE
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They better, it’s a political choice not a limitation so I see no qualms with giving PIRATE to the Luftwaffe EF-2000s, especially given that it would make the modelling process easier
I mean, both sides are kind of debatable imo. To my understanding Germany “has” PIRATE and reserves the right to fit them if wanted/needed at anytime (likely suggesting they’ve “paid” for some, but dont have them on hand atm but could immediately get their hands on some brand new ones in the case of a conflict?) but at the same time, they dont actively operate them atm. Adding the german ones in-game with PIRATE would technically be easier for gaijin, and wouldnt be exactly unprecedented, with many vehicles in-game having things they never operationally used, but “could” fit, for the sake of “balance”.
At the end of the day though, IRST is kinda is rarely ever worth using as a targeting sensor in WT (theres some argument to be made in GFRB and sim to track targets with no RWR warning, but in the fox 3 meta thats dubious at best imo). PIRATE could, from my understanding, allow for extreme range missile detection (acting as a super long range IR MAWS for example), and is likely able to give some degree of NCTR capability (due to it being IIR and iirc being known to “classify” contacts) as well as being able to launch fox 3’s with no warning at all, but its unclear if any of those points will actually be modelled, and at the end of the day, im not sure if any of the 3 are explicitly noted to be capabilities, which leaves the door wide open for that classic gaijin “hurr-durr stupid westoid engineers could never surpass the glory and technological knowhow of glorious russian/soviet designers!” and model PIRATE to be the exact same, or atleast very similar to the current russian IRST’s seen in-game
I think ive seen some docs here that state it could lock and guide Fox 3
Its going to be no better than the AN/AXX-1 TCS as found on the F-14B, or DMT on the AV-8B / Harrier GR.7.
and be the cause of a bunch of bugs and be practically nonfunctional.
Docs and primary sources mean nothing to gaijn, they model what they want when they want and screw every bug reporter for trying to improve the games accuracy, its not hard to see, particularly following some recent info provided by an ex-gaijin employee.
TCS has extremely detailed bug reports down to its exact scan patterns, which missiles can and cant be fired using it, etc… and its modelled incorrectly to this day and there are very clearly no attempts being made at fixing any of it…
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Shameless plug on my part, i’ve saved sources for all of these things ready for a bug-report on implementation. There’s no excuse for them not to model these features.
But yes functions as UV MAWS, yes categorises things, yes differentiates between clutter and non-clutter, yes can be used as a long-range IR camera, yes has strong sources suggesting 150-165km range (iirc in-game ones other than F-14 with TCS are about 50km).
May be better than some radars found currently at top tier.
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It can guide fox-3’s via datalink. It has TWS features etc.
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@BalticSAS I mean the Yak-141 was supposedly intended to mount the IRST. German Eurofighter’s weren’t intended to have them they pulled out of IRST development as it started. I don’t see this as being anything like the Yak-141, particularly as that is modelled as a projected in-service aircraft and German Eurofighter’s in active service (not development) do not and have not carried PIRATE.
It is a political choice and numerous ones are reflected in-game in features such as armament. Gaijin models national differences between in-service aircraft which included both upsides and downsides.
By introducing PIRATE to German Eurofighter’s on the basis of ‘it can be done, it just isn’t’ you could say the same for introducing the LWS system onto German and Italian aircraft, or AMK onto British and Italian ones, or ASRAAM on German and Italian ones and IRIS-T on the British one.
I don’t have anything against that a prime Eurofighter with all the features in each Eurofighter tree would be great (but I doubt will ever happen), but I’d advise thinking carefully before advocating for that, it may bring others up to parity in alternate areas (aside from Germany also not using AMK in active service and Airbus developing it and testing it on their aircraft).
If you advocate for Germany to get PIRATE you also advocate for UK and Italy to get AMK.
i mean the gripen and the mavericks, thats all i have to say about that realy
dont realy got a problem with that
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Yes but this is an IRST system and not a weapon they haven’t just added random aircraft with the wrong radar as a ‘feature not a bug’ type thing, even if some have the wrong radar the bug reports are acknowledged and slated to be fixed.
Then I’m alright with that.
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I think that the irst should be included in Germany, but lock it as a rank 4 research, since they kept the rights to implement it at any time, while the other nations can get it as stock
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Only difference for that was they literally haven’t added the other armament that either sweden or SAAF used on it and 1 nation lacked any real CAS. Why britain needed to get AGM65’s when they had the harrier is because you cant give one to the other. Also the SAAF gripen on launch got mavericks despite them never having them yet people only complained about the swedish getting them when they didnt get it first lmao. Yet they still had you wait 3 weeks after the brits got it lmao. The power of because it can use it will be a strong turning point of what the players want. That same logic can be used for why x doesnt have this and rather has this. Ect ect. Its gonna be real interesting seeing how everything unfolds.
*Eurofighter in this thread, ey?
So Germany bought now 274 Brimstone missles.
Its a closed deal so we willl see Brimstone on Germany EFs in the future and not only on the Test planes
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Cursed new promotional image of bae showing eurofighter using the Brimstone launcher with amraam
(x.com)
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Defense companies are hilariously bad at promo vids/material imo. Probs cuz politicains are almost all about as old as the atoms that initially formed the core of this planet
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bit late but its almost impossible to tell without them making a statment or showing us pictures iof the engines
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If anything, it wouldnt be a new engine, its probs be an uprated one or one with TVC, seeing as iirc that was the fuiture plan for the Eurojet, and its overall a pretty fantastic engine in the first place.