Would you mind sharing proper citations other than wikipedia for the supercruise speed of these classified fighters? Hilariously, the production year is far off for Eurofighter and Rafale. Maybe their earliest variants… but not the production service models. At least the Su-57’s is correct.
“Supercruise” was possible for aircraft such as the F-106 in the 60s, I do not consider the Eurofighter capable of true “supercruise” in the same sense as an F-22 or Su-57.
man is delusional
Would you mind proper citations for the fact that eurofighter can’t super cruise?
Facts are not interested in what you consider
Eh?
What does that have to do with anything?
You’d be in Afterburner in WVR combat and surely otherwise what matters is what speed you can get up to with a weapons load in order to gain the most favourable launch solution?
Stealth fighters do not care for optimal launch conditions, only optimal angles at which to engage the enemy without giving up their position. Using a mechanically scanned array on a 4th gen airframe in 2020 is crazy.
No, these:
What Su-57 has isn’t S-shaped ducts in any sense of the word. Due to Su-57s fuselage shape it quite literally cannot make proper use of them, there’s too little space.
The addition of RAM is minimal on the Eurofighter airframe, and the claim that the composites have baked in RAM is nonsense. The radar absorbent paint is on leading edges only and appears to be primarily an afterthought.
Sure, source.
The semi-recessed belly missiles is something done since the F-4 Phantom existed. The Eurofighter has an estimated RCS above 1m2 whereas something like the Rafale (built prior) had PESA and proper Stealth features for quite some time at the point when Eurofighter entered service.
Whataboutism with that F-4; "it has this one feature that many 4th gens actually lack, “oh oh but it was already present on the F-4!!1”. Rafale’s “proper stealth features” are also more or less the exact same as Eurofighter’s, and last I checked, it has an estimated RCS of 1m^2 courtesy of this:
So it’s at about the same level (and I’m guessing you don’t posses anything better anyways).
iirc Britain was finally contracting for Tranche 3 only in… 2018… why were they still buying fighter jets with mechanically scanned arrays in 2018???
Ask the British MoD.
And then Germany finally orders something with an AESA only in 2020??? Just to buy the F-35 anyway?
Cool? Germany isn’t getting their F-35s until 2030 last I checked, and they’re meant as Tornado’s replacement to carry B-61s.
I disagree, the Eurofighter cannot supercruise
It’s hard to take you seriously when you make such blatantly false statements without even a shred of doubt.
Whilst late to the party, the EF does what it was designed to do very well.
We will have to see how stealth is implemented into the game before we say anything about how the F-22 affects the meta. I can’t imagine they will give US a stealth fighter without giving Russia one too.
Completely wrong.
They had the option of fitting the the party trick 20 years ago, but so far no one has bothered.
It is literally the same image. These ducts have no serration or RAM coatings of any meaningful amount placed on them.
The ducts are quite literally geometrically shaped to benefit radar cross section reduction. See the above images.
Rafales are actually visible in images.
Poor use of the multi-role capabilities of that thing then, I suppose. They could have replaced their Eurofighters with superior F-35’s anyway a long time ago.
Just too late to be particularly ‘good’ in comparison to peers.
Woah it late to the AESA party and uses the best mechanical radar instead while waiting for AESA to be ready
Which is why you have to stand below the EFT to be able to see the engines (still can’t tbh), whereas on the Su-57 you don’t have to?
Comparison, EFT first:
Su-57:
The ducts are quite literally geometrically shaped to benefit radar cross section reduction. See the above images.
Refer to the above images.
They could have replaced their Eurofighters with superior F-35’s anyway a long time ago.
“Just forsake your national industry for US MIC’s sake!” is all I hear.
Rafales are actually visible in images.
Cool, yet both are estimated to be 1m^2, so everything you say is wholey irrelevant.
These are the same angle for both fighters
Rafale is much lower RCS… More than 10x lower.
S-ducts? Hahaha, you’re a great story writer man.
Good thing images like this exist:
Rafale is much lower RCS… More than 10x lower.
Cool, source?
The website makes some good estimations, but didn’t account for certain things. There’s some contentions to be made here overall when comparing the Rafale versus the Eurofighter. When both are clean with no weapons or fuel, the Rafale has quite a bit lower RCS. We have the statement of Dassault’s Vice CEO stating that the Rafale has a frontal RCS of 0.01m^2. Let’s compare the Eurofighter and Rafale in terms of features:
First off, the Rafale has a serrated canard reducing the RCS of the canards while the Eurofighter does not (Evidence 1):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015732675115491348/1191136708473929798/Comparisons2.png?ex=661c5001&is=6609db01&hm=3fc43d80d571c25c60c753fbc6ffc61fa4c053421f229388175096ebd642c94c&
The intakes of the Rafale are not visible in frontal heading, is serrated, while also being shaped, Eurofighter’s is not. If the Eurofighter is flying, a target that is off to the nose and slightly below it, could easily see into the intake and see the engines.
(Evidence 2):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015732675115491348/1191136683123560479/Comparisons1.jpg?ex=661c4ffb&is=6609dafb&hm=9d3ec0b44ddc8a3f51608001628e1eb1798c24745fe39cecb07f04408bc90c91&
The Eurofighter cannot hide it’s IRST, while the Rafale can hide it’s TV/IRST sensors by moving it similar to the Su-57’s IRST, in order to reduce the RCS.
If you can prove that 1: the EJ200 is inferior to the F119 and 2: the Typhoon is unable to supercruise
I will cut off my leg and eat it.
Everything else you said isn’t important but this, and as such - source.
From the Eurofighter website (wording is a bit strange because it’s been through google translate):
That is Eurofighter DA1 (the very first prototype), so the lack of RAM is pretty meaningless (the early DA aircraft were very bare bones).
Apologies, he said that the Rafale is as small as a Sparrow. Here’s the direct quote: “the radar signature seen from the front of a Rafale is the signature of a sparrow”. We have several independent sources stating that the Sparrow bird is an rcs of 0.01m^2
I don’t feel comfortable sharing the source at this moment in time until the Rafale is added. But, you can compare the stealth features of the Rafale and Eurofighter to observe a difference.
Sorry, but this is (from anyone’s point of view) nothing more than a PR statement that isn’t backed up by anything of essence, pointing out design differences is fine (but as @Flame2512 has already stated, the images posted here come from the DA 1 prototype, and I’m sure he’s gonna make a follow up on that too).
I don’t feel comfortable sharing the source at this moment in time until the Rafale is added.
Sure, in that case i’ll resort to Hitchen’s razor until that time comes (so for around ± 2 years I reckon).
Should eat your own words rn
Production models show no visible ram, serration, etc. only on leading edges is there paint.
