Prove it.
It’s still funny to me how Gaijin can make the Captor-M so horrendous ingame, it performs like AN/APG-59 on the Spey Phantoms.
The conditions were stated in the image I originally posted, so I don’t know what he’s going on about. Anyway here they are again.
Keeping in mind those are minimum requirements, so could be exceeded.
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Answer my question before… Stop blabbering :3
I will give my proof after yours.
All player know how inconsistent Hellfire with laser guided in the game. Even already become long discussion since long time ago
Yeah… Its really wierd. Though… Gunna say “called it” I knew the Typhoon was gunna have Blue Vixen C&P and radar issues on launch
Eurofighter has better energy retention that is just as good as the Gripen. It’s actually better at high speeds and slightly worse at low speeds.
Still haven’t proven anything.
You’re the one that first started about the effectiveness of Brims, so prove it.
I’m asking you first, then why I need to answer your question right now before you give your answer? Both of our argument will end up being flagged after this lol if you still like this.
You started the discussion first without giving any evidence.
Please provide some or stop blabbering.
This is not really a subjective opinion though. I have provided sources.
I will list some of them again since they were already buried.
These are claims from Justin Bronk.
It is this Justin Bronk by the way.
So yes…when it comes to making claims about both of these aircraft…this guy is a subject matter expert and not just some enthusiast on a web forum.
No way, on another thread I said hornets and TVC was king of low speed, looks like I was right
So for the sake of argument we can just go for 100% fuel. Technically it would be 90-ish percent.
Just pulling STR numbers from Statshark. Statshark only allows data to be generated for up to around 30,000 feet so I cannot get datapoints for higher altitude.
Sustained Turn Rates
Sea Level STR = 19 degrees per second
10,000ft = 15.2 degrees per second
20,000ft = 9.7 degrees per second at Mach 1.2 / 11.2 degres per second at Mach .8
Instantaneous Turn Rates
Sea Level = 28.4 degrees per second
10,000ft = 20.8 degrees per second at Mach .6 / Up to 22.7 degrees per second at Mach .8
20,000ft = 15.3 degrees per second at Mach .7
So from the looks of things it looks like Gaijin tried to match the STR numbers in this chart. You have slightly less STR at sea level, spot on at 10,000ft, and too much at 20,000ft.
For ITR numbers…they are not high enough but also might be broadly consistent with how everything in the game underperforms in terms of ITR at altitude due to the way that Gaijin approximates flight control system limitations. This is an issue I have observed with other flight models as well; specifically the Mirage 2000.
Rafale’s canard is pushing nose down to prevent pitch-out departure whereas Eurofighters is aiding overall positive lift and creating the instability is my understanding of the differences so that doesn’t really apply.
Eurofighter must be more careful not to depart from controlled flight due to this for the same reason as F-16.
I don’t trust stat shark at all but if that’s the case, seems pretty accurate.
It’s absurd
All data that they’ve find, you mean? I don’t think the devs have seen everything available.
Look up what that means. How does the in-game model violating the laws of physics lead you to believe it’s subjective?
Or not met.
I trust it enough to put out reasonable STR and SEP values. It’s most recent STR values have more or less matches RideR2 testing. There are still some flight models that are not accurate in Statshark and is in the process of being fixed.
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It might get fix after new years perhaps
Also any news on 8 AMRAAM on EFT?
Don’t count on it getting 8x AMRAAM.
Loadout wise, I’m just hoping for Brimstone 2s and maybe Aim-120C5s in the not too distant future.
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Did it use a twin AMRAAM pylon for the wing amraam station? Would be a nice loadout.
I would refer you back to @Flame2512 and his sources which have the hard numbers. These would support the EFT having exceptional performance as a baseline.
This tallies with the other public data we have available as well as pilot accounts, reports from Air Forces that use the type, etc.
I don’t dispute Justin Bronk’s credentials btw. If anything, I would read that as an argument to enhance the Rafale in-game relative to the Typhoon at lower speeds. Again, a War Thunder problem rather than a IRL problem.
We’ve got a decent body of data and sources that support the EFT as being one of the best airframes in the game at this point in time. Objective reasons.
On the other hand we have the likes of Flogger-Joker squealing that he doesn’t understand how it works so ergo it must be impossible. Subjective frothing.
I know which evidence base I would tend towards.
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Can you show me a delta wing of any kind that is capable of preventing stall at 50 degrees angle of attack? To my knowledge there should be total airflow separation occurring at this stage and yet the aircraft flies in such conditions without departure symptoms of any kind. How do you explain that?
Do any of them show how the Eurofighter should handle such high angles of attack without exhibiting ANY characteristics of departure or stall?
Maybe, but if that is the case why is the Rafale realistically modeled in this regard when the Eurofighter is not?
Why must you resort to ad-hominem and nonsensical straw men arguments? You say all this that and the other about me - you can never quote anything I say directly - and you build these absurd character statements and dismiss anything posted only to follow it up with;
???
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Brimstone has no issues one shotting enemy tanks, i only fire 2-3 missiles to Pantsir in case he notices my missiles, otherwise you dont need more than one missile to kill anything.
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