I didn’t say that, nor do I advise against saying that, my point is that these arguments are goddamn worthless because it’s word of mouth against words of mouth from both you and others, whether you for or against. I didn’t even claim that it “should” be able to do these, just what I’ve been able to achieve with my EFT in extreme situations.
So basically its pointless to claim that what EFT can do or not.
In this case some people who defends EFT’s capabilities endlessly are just people who worship this plane.
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Took you a while. Fireball and Flame also don’t like sharing what they have on the EFT as well, so before they do, we will simply not know.
In this case some people who defends EFT’s capabilities endlessly are just people who worship this plane.
When you look at it from a different angle, this is the exact same as M1 Abroomz glazers claiming it should have X% improved armor based on circumstantial evidence ;)
There he is, you cant stop yourself can you.
At least they have some circumstantial evidence, in EFT case we dont even have something that is remotely close to this.
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Get a clue. This is (edit) friendly banter.
I know but i thought you and i were over this.
Remember, im not here to fight with you, im just here to discuss with you to learn something new.
I just woke up man, forgive me. I also spent the last day trying to manhandle my new RTX into my small ass PC case.
No worries then, glad to hear you upgraded your pc.
Hope it met your expectations.
Oh no, I didn’t manage xD
The RTX is currently sitting in a box behind me, gonna have to take it to a friend to handle it for me (he builds PCs for a living, i’m a laik).
You know the FMs arent realistic, an fully loaded F-4F can pull 9G in game that configuration would be limited to 4-5G tops.
You cant scream murder for the Typhoon when every other jet is in many cases overperforming in some capacity. The F-16 has a G limiter that are not active in game. I’m not sure what you hope the outcome of these posts are?
Nerf the Typhoon to realistic levels? While allowing fully loaded Su-34 to Kobra or F-16s insane AOA?
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All planes can perform in excess of published G limits in War Thunder.
The F-16 has a G limitation but it is only approximated in Sim with SAS Damping controls.
The Typhoons AoA limit in damping is also in excess of what is realistic to all public knowledge.
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Hopefully he can manage to build it so you can enjoy your new card :D
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You accept that the game takes liberties with Fms.
Yes maybe the Typhoon is overperforming in some areas, it is certainly underperforming in certain aspects (Radar!!)
F-16s nose authority is a massive issue in game and has been for many updates.
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I don’t see 24° mentioned anywhere in there…
I’m also still waiting for @MiG_23M to tell me where I’ve posted documents showing the Eurofighter to have an AoA limit of 25°. As far as I’m aware the closest I’ve got to information on Eurofighter’s AoA a few documents about EAP, which aren’t much use as the wing design is different.
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The author of the article I linked claims 24 degrees and his source seems to be from interviewing test pilots when asking about the AMK. Basically that AMK was made in order to increase the planes AoA capability.
Also the same website has an interview with some researcher at RUSI.
This is what is said about Rafale vs Eurofighter in terms of maneuverability.
So this article makes some pretty solid claims about the relative performance of both of the planes.
- Rafale has advantage at 15,000ft and below.
- Rafale has slight advantage in instantaneous turn rate
- Rafale is slightly better than Eurofighter in high alpha authority at slow speeds.
- Rafale has lower bleed rates at low altitudes. Eurofighter has edge in gain rates.
So how do these planes compare in-game?
This is the Statshark EM plot of both planes in clean configuration with 50% fuel at sea level. I have selected an 11G limit to make an allowance for the supposed “emergency” mode that these planes may have that allows them to exceed 9G. This comparison should heavily favor the Rafale according to our previous information.
So here is what we have.
- The Eurofighter has the same instantaneous turn rate. (It’s .1 degree per second higher technically).
- The Eurofighter has a 2 degrees per second higher sustained turn. (SEP 0 Line = Sustained Turn.)
- The Eurofighter has lower bleed rates across the board.
- The Eurofighter has higher gain rates across the board.
- The Eurofighter has a smaller turn radius than the Rafale.
Basically…with the way that both planes are modeled in War Thunder…the Eurofighter has all of the advantages that the Rafale would have over it…as well as all of the normal advantages that it would have if it were realistic.
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Sorry forgot to clip second part.
So the AMK is to improve the performance under heavy loads like i originally said
And all this is yet again word of a pilot which means little
With you what your saying being very twisted
The original source for the claims regarding AoA and the AMK seems to be Chris Worning…who is a test pilot for EADS…so no…this isn’t your standard “my brothers friends nephews cousin is a fighter pilot and said the hornet can do a cobra”.
Having increased agility at high loads is not the only purpose of the AMK. Having increased agility across the board with and without high loads is the purpose.
Eurofighter is limited to 29 degrees AoA in SAS Damping which is same AoA limit as Rafale and Mirage 2000. However in manual controls it can pull up to 50 degrees AoA before it tries to stall itself out. It’s a very useful trick to use in Air SB.
