I think I’d wet my pants if we got a stripped down typhoon in the british tree.
It isn’t happening though. Sweden and UK are getting the grippen, it’s basically confirmed. Besides, i’m fairly certain they wouldn’t give the UK a typhoon without Germany, and they didn’t say Germany was receiving anything.
Actually, I dont think UK can get Gripen. South Africa’s Gripen was only armed with IRIS-T. They never imported AMRAAM or Aim-9. So UK is probably getting Sea Harrier FA2.
But I agree, all 3 nations probably coming together, but both Uk and Germany have 1 reasonable A2A addition left. So it cant be that long
while that is correct, the fuse on the taurus’ warhead is much fancier than the one in the storm shadow.
i think its only fair to give Germany the IPA 7 WITH its AMK because the normal german ones all lack the PIRATE.
In what way?
That would probably come as a separate aircraft
The UK has its own Gripen D in the Empire Test Pilots’ School
UK purchased 9Ls and 9Ms obviously, so I guess it will be equipped with those. As far as I know only radar guided missiles it used were ARH, so watch them slap skyflashes on it and call it a day.
Yes but it gets the IRIS-T and Brimstone, depending on how good either are I don’t think it should get it.
If the IRIS-T gets a large range, flare resistance etcetera in addition to Brimstone being as broken as it is IRL then I don’t think it would be fair as all the technology on the IPA aircraft is co-developed by the other two nations.
But if the IRIS-T is only average, and brimstone performs like a hellfire does now, then i think it would be perfectly fair.
The way it works in my mind, is that Britain end of the line ends up with a worse SRAAM missile, but Brimstone and the best radar in addition to an IRST. (Good standoff +1, Good ground attack +1=2)
Italy gets no brimstone, but the best radar, IRST and SRAAM. (Good standoff +1, good close-in +1=2)
Germany gets Brimstone, the best SRAAM, but worse radar. (Good ground attack +1, good close-in +1=2)
By adding in the IPA7 which uses the co-developed AMK kit, it gets the IRST, IRIS-T, Brimstone, and some sort of E-Scan radar which despite not even being built with any German involvement was integrated onto the German aircraft over the nations that developed it and is either the ECRS MK.1 or MK.2. The other two jets Tranche 3A (UK) and Tranche 4 (IT) would be worse in every single way. (Good standoff +1, Good close in +1, Good ground attack=3)
I dunno if the ASRAAM turns out to be good but different in comparison to the IRIS-T and Brimstone a little bit shit then the performance difference won’t be massive.
Where is your source for the IRIS-T being better than the ASRAAM?
It’s not, that’s not what i’m saying, IRL its like an R27ET but better in every measurable metric. But in-game, that may hinder it, i’m not sure if Gaijin will give it the full 50KM range as opposed to the stated ‘in excess of 25KM’ figure which is only 7km more than the advertised range of the IRIS-T at 18KM, in which case, the IRIS-T is gonna pull twice as hard with depending on the Block, equal-slightly worse IRCCM.
Having that will make German Typhoons better close in fighters and Italian ones probably the best fighters given their better radar and likely better missiles. I have no faith that Gaijin will not fuck with the ASRAAM as only Britain uses it.
I think IRIS-T is better short range, but ASRAAM has longer range. But I think they are about equal, but just different strengths and weaknesses
I agree I just don’t trust Gaijin not to mess with that. The ASRAAM IRCCM should be the best of the 3 western missiles (AIM-9X, IRIS-T and ASRAAM) and the range is significantly higher with it estimated to be 45-55KM but the advertised figure is only ‘in excess of 25km’ look at what they did with the TES ERA, if we only get the 25KM of range i don’t see it making a difference whether you use an ASRAAM or an IRIS-T other than one pulling twice as hard.
Oh fair enough. IMO the ASRAAM is the best IR missile irl because it completely outranges the 9X and IRIS-T in terms of escape envelope and max range. The IRIS-T is more manoeuvrable on paper, but both missiles are capable of hitting targets behind them, so it’s not like the ASRAAM can’t pull.
But this is GJN. Red Tops, SRAAMs, and Starstreaks are all in a pathetic state years after they were added. When the ASRAAM comes it will be equally underwhelming.
The curse of not having to hype up your own military tech for propaganda purposes, because it actually just works.
It really depends on doctrine, although France seems to have bet on a similar doctrine with the Meteor, MICA combination (MICA being essentially an ASRAAM with a higher range (obviously they’re different missiles with different IRCCM but utility-wise)). Britain seems to emphasis stand-off capability aiming for longer range radars and weaponry. Germany bet on being able to destroy anything it can reasonably well at stand-off ranges and dominating when close-in and then Italy bet on both here.
Also the ASRAAM was the first of these missiles to include LOAL and the ASRAAM had (and still has although they did catch up for a period) a better seeker than either. 50G’s is no slouch at all and its also aerodynamically unstable with just the rearward fins so although it doesn’t pull as much, it can reposition its booster around the nose in a similar manner to thrust vectoring (thing canards vs thrust vectoring).
storm shadow is a timed fuse. Taurus has a counting impact fuse kinda so you can set it to explode at a certain depth or a certain floor or basically after a certain number of “impacts”
Nope Italy Is funding Meteor for F35 too and there Is the interest for buy Spear since F35 won’t be Able to Carry Storm Shadow
That’s good, I hadn’t seen that I suppose once integrated with one nations aircraft, it applies to all so might as well co-fund it.
Do you know if Italy is helping to fund integration of SPEAR too.
On Spear seem that only UK Is founding It, Italy Will probably buy the missile when the integration Will be finished.
ASRAAM has the longest range out of the two. by a lot.
it was only developed by Airbus afaik, PIRATE on the ipa7 is up for debate. it should be added either way because its the only “special” one if you know what i mean. everything else is the same airframe basically
i dont see where you get that from, esp when the IRIS-T is the only one thats resistant to DIRCM as it does not have a full frame ir seeker
