I only gave it a quick google, but by all accounts the R-37M was meant for taking down large aircraft like AWACS and not necessarily more nimble fighters. From whats been reported in Ukraine, the Ukrainian pilots have no issue evading these missiles.
Guys, this thread is NOT about missile.
if you want to talk about missile comparison, go and make a new thread.
German EF Typhoon with Brimstone
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In regards to the Meteor, fired from similar ranges as the R-37M a maneuvering target will do little to burn it of energy outside of diving and making it more maneuverable in thicker air… also making the enemy fighter more maneuverable but he only has so much energy for maneuver…
Modern guidance systems increase likeness that the missile will hit the target due to evasive maneuvers. I think we have readily reached a point where a missile launch within range of target is a guaranteed kill outside of active protection measures such as decoys, jammers, EW, anti-missile missile systems etc.
@MBDA_Meteor The discussion of the primary weapon system of the Eurofighter Typhoon and the armaments it will face as opposition is highly relevant to the thread.
@Morvran The only reports I am reading say that up to six are fired a day, and that they are particularly hard to evade. According to Forbes the missile forces them to entirely abandon their missions and take all measures of evasive action in order to avoid the missile. Aided by SAM’s, air defense networking the Ukrainian pilots can escape the NEZ by running away on the deck. It’s rumored either an S-400 or an R-37M had killed a Ukrainian Su-27 from excess of 200km.
I think like the R-37M, the Meteor is a standoff weapon. Increasing chance of kill within the NEZ means nothing if targets know to evade before entering such a zone. Advanced ground radars especially those with L band arrays would be able to ascertain even stealth fighters in a region. It is reasonable to assume that you can determine your fighters “safe areas” based on the NEZ perimeter of potential adversary stealth fighters. Long range IRST tracking and such can also provide better tracking of ramjet powered targets than they can a missile that got to a high speed and altitude and then coasted to target. Hypersonics like the R-37M with thermal reduction techniques in the future could bypass infrared based missile defense systems as well as radar based systems in the future.
All that leads me to the point that the Meteor may solely be used as a deterrent rather than a highly successful hard kill weapon system against enemy fighters, just like the R-37M. It may in the future also feature improved dual guidance seekers (IR + EM) or similar. Improvements in longer waveband ground radars may allow fighters such as the Eurofighter to identify stealth targets in IRST at ranges sufficient to launch a Meteor with combined guidance.
No, missile comparison arguement should be in thier own thread.
your recent wrightings are similar to comparison about missile, not about discussion of the primary weapon system of the Eurofighter Typhoon and the armaments it will face as opposition.
I have a Meteor heading in this thread:
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According to Skunk Works by Ben Rich just a few screws coming loose so the head protruded very slightly out of the panel was enough to severely degrade the F-117’s stealth during testing.
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thats great that we now got confirmation for those, and should mean as well they will use them on all eurofighters since they are compatible right? only using them on the newest wouldnt make sence if the older ones can as well
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was thinking about doing that on the old forum, cba to do new stuff on here anymore and there is like 0 information anyways
technically it is not a Lw Eurofighter as its owned by NETMA. 98+XX are the prototypes and instrumented production aircraft meant for, well, prototyping, testing and integration of weapons. you can see that the 98+07 also has a PIRATE IRST. its also the only jet to have ever flown with the AMK.
would be great if we got it because it’d probably the single best Eurofighter based on flight performance and weapons integration but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Interestingly, P4E typhoon appears to be equipping AMK and potentially TVC, so that could be an option for future vehicles, given the U.K. has confirmed it will be getting 40 P4E typhoons.
god damn, well we get demonstrators like the PSO, so this shouldnt be a problem either i would say
i agree. they added the yak-141 with all of its garbage so this is not even close to being that much of a stretch
The configuration is yes, but they seem pretty set on the integration of AMK on P4E from that page.
if it does get purchased, it will still be one of the last Eurofighters added into the game while the IPA7 was tested with AMK in 2014 or something around that time
I’ll take the words of the man who led the team that designed the F-117 over the words of a random guy on the internet.
His statement was quite clear that a couple of loose fasteners protruding by less than 1/8 inch from the panel were enough to severely degrade the F-117 prototype’s stealth capability. So until more information becomes available it seems likely that small imperfections in an aircrafts skin can have severe impacts on stealth.
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It’s not off topic, but constantly nagging because the conversation has shifted in a direction you don’t care for is…
The effects of exposed rivets on stealth is hugely important to how high or low the RCS of the Eurofighter might be when it comes to the game. As it’s newer, there is less info so we can refer to the fact that these are not an issue on fighters considered to be stealthier, and also that have more available information.
That is of course also not factoring in things like IRST. I have heard that the Su-57 is actually a really hot aircraft, and no thought was put into minimising its IR signature like other stealth aircraft.