Eurofighter Typhoon - Germany's Best Fighter Jet

[Flame2512]

@DevilO6

For yall fast radar enjoyers, find a second one and 333°/s is yours

I’m still not sure if that is the actual scan speed, or just the speed it can move at to “jump” between priority targets.

@Crazed_Otter

Are the devs really working on the assumption that in the 20 years between Blue Vixen and CAPTOR - NO performance improvements were made?

CAPTOR does have performance improvements over Blue Vixen in game.

@ron_2303

Shouldn’t it be x-band then I saw multiple public sources that say the Captor-m is a x-band radar

It is X band in game already. There are many different radar band naming systems. The game uses the NATO naming scheme. X Band is part of the IEEE naming scheme.

@MysteriousHonza

Based on data - revisiting tracked targets outside of scanned bar means, it has to scan quick AF otherwise it PHYSICALLY CANT KEEP CONSTANT REFRESH RATE NEEDED FOR TWS… Guy programming this needs literally one braincell to realize it.

It means the antenna is capable of quick movement, but the radar doesn’t necessarily scan at full speed, it could scan at at a more modest speed and then move really quickly to get to / from the priority track updates. Scanning at something like 333°/s could actually lead to worse performance due to the radar not having adequate dwell time on the target.

I’ve spent a lot of time looking into CAPTOR and can’t find much evidence at all for scan rates above 70°/s. Which I guess is an improvement over the 65°/s we currently have, but somehow I doubt people would be satisfied by that.

@Dontkev

Is it just me or do the Fueltanks on the Screen are look more like the 1500L ones which the EF can also carry?

They look about right compared to the real screen:

Spoiler

@ron_2303

The Captor-m should also have atleast 90° of gimbal

No it shouldn’t. Gimbal limits are ±70°. Your own image shows that.

[MysteriousHonza]

Allowing the ECR -90 to rival electronic scan performance. This is more Significantly more than M-scan vlue vixen. In fact, you already have pesa and aesa in game. So where is that rivaling???

[Gunjob]

I suggest you zoom in on that image and look at the Green aircraft triangle and its orientation.

CAPTOR-M has the same 140 sweep as the Blue Vixen…

[MysteriousHonza]

@Flame2512

It means the antenna is capable of quick movement, but the radar doesn’t necessarily scan at full speed, it could scan at at a more modest speed and then move really quickly to get to / from the priority track updates. Scanning at something like 333°/s could actually lead to worse performance due to the radar not having adequate dwell time on the target.

Same article also says - rival electronic scan performance. The SCAN is main word there.

[HakwHunt]

This comes back to the issue: No one knows.

We KNOW it can move 333°/s but does it usually Scan at tht speed? We dont know.

Does it only do it when jumping between priority targets? Is that the same as scanning?

Logically speaking I wouldnt want my highly costly radar pulling massive G load and strain doing 333°sec all the time. But in game we are constantly in a combat scenario so we could argue we should just “let it rip” at 333° / sec

[ron_23]

@Flame2512

No it shouldn’t. Gimbal limits are ±70°. Your own image shows that.

MB didn’t realize that the mfd is oriented to the north and not where the nose is pointing

[Dontkev-psn]

How about an report for missing 1500L drop tanks? (Outer pylon)

[ron_23]

@ron_2303

MB didn’t realize that the mfd is oriented to the north

Well that was a prime case of me being blind

[Shay]

@Smin1080p_WT

But just claims if it being “better” sadly don’t mean anything can be changed.

Why is Gaijin deathly afraid of making educated guesses?

[I_9029]

don’t know if this is a good way to test tws, can’t test it in battle cause i haven’t researched fgr4 yet

but based on my test german eft have worse(easier to lose lock) tws than uk eft

german

ger eft

uk

uk eft

[Imperator-Faber]

This is a bit confusing, how somethings that aren’t present in documentation can be added but also those with some documentation cannot. And I know what we tried to use as proof was not as strong as what gaijin would like would it not be fair to place it under the same category as planned weapons?

[Flame2512]

@MysteriousHonza

Same article also says - rival electronic scan performance. The SCAN is main word there.

“Electronic scan” is the type of radar, it’s not necessarily talking about scan mode.

@HakwHunt

Does it only do it when jumping between priority targets? Is that the same as scanning?

Priority track means that the radar can “jump” to a target very quickly, scan the target, then jump back to where it was scanning.

See here: Community Bug Reporting System

@HakwHunt

Logically speaking I wouldnt want my highly costly radar pulling massive G load and strain doing 333°sec all the time. But in game we are constantly in a combat scenario so we could argue we should just “let it rip” at 333° / sec

As I said scanning at 333°/s may well give the radar inadequate dwell time to actually detect things.

[Gunjob]

They have the exact same notch widths…

uk_captor_m_pirate;

 "mprfSearch": {
      "groundClutter": false,
      "aircraftAsTarget": true,
      "friendFoeId": true,
      "mainBeamNotchWidth": 60.0,
      "distance": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": 500.0,
        "maxValue": 74000.0,
        "width": 500.0
      },
      "dopplerSpeed": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": -1500.0,
        "maxValue": 1500.0,
        "signalWidthMin": 2.0,
        "width": 30.0
      }
    },
    "mprfTrack": {
      "groundClutter": false,
      "aircraftAsTarget": true,
      "angularAccuracy": 0.05,
      "distanceAccuracy": 15.0,
      "mainBeamNotchWidth": 40.0,
      "mainBeamNotchMaxElevation": 4.0,
      "track": true,
      "distance": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": 200.0,
        "maxValue": 74000.0,
        "width": 150.0
      },

uk_captor_m

    "mprfSearch": {
      "groundClutter": false,
      "aircraftAsTarget": true,
      "friendFoeId": true,
      "mainBeamNotchWidth": 60.0,
      "distance": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": 500.0,
        "maxValue": 74000.0,
        "width": 500.0
      },
      "dopplerSpeed": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": -1500.0,
        "maxValue": 1500.0,
        "signalWidthMin": 2.0,
        "width": 30.0
      }
    },
    "mprfTrack": {
      "groundClutter": false,
      "aircraftAsTarget": true,
      "angularAccuracy": 0.05,
      "distanceAccuracy": 15.0,
      "mainBeamNotchWidth": 40.0,
      "mainBeamNotchMaxElevation": 4.0,
      "track": true,
      "distance": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": 200.0,
        "maxValue": 74000.0,
        "width": 150.0
      },
      "dopplerSpeed": {
        "presents": true,
        "minValue": -1500.0,
        "maxValue": 1500.0,
        "signalWidthMin": 2.0,
        "width": 20.0
      }
    },

[Smin1080p_WT]

They would depend specifically on each case. There is no one size fits all answer here. Some maybe balancing decisions (if something is too much) or may be a type of weapon we don’t have in game currently.

[I_9029]

hmm weird why the uk one don’t lose lock but the german one does, based on that they should be similar

[MysteriousHonza]

@Flame2512

Priority track means that the radar can “jump” to a target very quickly, scan the target, then jump back to where it was scanning.

But you have to count with time of that jump scan jump. And it can do it up to 6 times. If it was this slow, even quick jumps would result in too long refresh rate for remaining tws tracks.

[Gunjob]

Your test isn’t 1:1 they are identical in performance.

[Smin1080p_WT]

Because this opens up the floodgates and Pandora’s box to a whole spam of new reports with low quality sources for all vehicles that provide no detail or specifics and simply make broad statements such as “better” or “improved” which can have multiple meanings.

Therefore everything in game follows the same standards for acceptable values.

[HakwHunt]

Passing the beam at 333 over a target at max range might very well not result in enough time to get a return, as you say.

But there is no “priority scan” mode available in game. The game does not to threat detection and classification like the computers on the EF does. I imagine the rral CAPTOR ripping at 333 moving the beam from target to target amd then slower across the target.

Such a mode isnt available in game, I dont think.

Edit: actually, isnt this just what TWS is supposed to do? To track and scan at the same time?
Perhaps a new mode should be made? Priority TWS. Where the system simply takes the 6 closest targets as the most dangerous and does jump scan jump?
If yiu wanna get really fancy you could do this with the 6 closest targets that the game classifies as fighters or interceptors

[ron_23]

Well this approach incurages people to post those secret documents.