The diffrence is that the German ECRS Mk 1 radar is in fact rolling out now. While ofc some interested pple made sure IT and GB get something better, which ist still like 4-5 years until planned introduction.
So, if two get future tech … why shouldn’t the German EF? Its ill thought…one nation gets a real service jet. Two others enjoy the time machine thing?
No, all should be treated equally.
Germany decided to go for the inferior MK1 with a phased upgrade plan. Britain and Italy is waiting for the MK2.
So there is no surprise that Germany is going to be slightly weaker.
AMK is a major upgrade that would make the German Typhoon dominate, the only way that would be fair is if Germany didn’t get the Mk1 and was left with CAPTOR-M.
Besides, they are getting PIRATE and already have Brimstones, both of which should be removed from the German Typhoon if you want.
Im not entirely sure if that tracks. It looks more like the Luftwaffe prefers the Eurofighter EK + AREXIS for T5+ with MK1 combo over the EW capabilities MK2 adds over MK1
Yes, because they are going for a phased upgrade plan for the MK1 instead of their original plan of getting some Mk2s
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Britain and Italy is waiting for the MK2.
I understood. To make sure Ger performs meh, GB and IT get things things planned towards the end of this decade. I really have to ask why so? Influential mods?
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Besides, they are getting PIRATE and already have Brimstones, both of which should be removed from the German Typhoon if you want.
IRST was tested on the 07 jet and some others. Brims + AMK as well. So we should get it.
There are just two ways. Either all get their latest equipment or all get thing from the future. It can’t be that just GB + IT will be 5 years ahead.
Sometimes I’d like to read internal mails, just to understand how these things are decided behind closed doors. From my POV its so absolutely unfair. How can they just handle it like this? There are also German upgrade plans for the Radar. Can we get something planned as well?
But that plan does not automatically mean that MK1s upgraded capabilities follow the MK2s way
‘inferior’ by standards made up.
no documentation, official or otherwise, states that the FOR was reduced to ± 90 degrees. yet here we are in this spiral of an argument across threads.
So, you are saying that Germany must be substantially stronger than Britain and Italy because Germany must be OP?
So Germany can get PIRATE, MK1 and brimstones because of test aircraft but Britain cant get MK2 because test aircraft?
No, it’s likely that Mk1 will always be a little weaker in terms of EW but that won’t matter because if the AREXIS
Yeah that was the point im making before. I dont think Germany chose MK1 due to timelines but because they already planned with AREXIS and generally dedicated EFT EKs in mind
If the 07 has it mounted, why not? All would be happy to get something planned ahead of current service models.
Maybe, I still think AREXIS was a reaction to the Mk1 rather than the plan for the get go.
Because it’s a massive buff. Given that it has been tested by Britain and Italy too, it would come to all 3 at the same time as part of the P4E upgrade
IPA 07 is a jointly owned eurofighter by everyone in the Eurofighter consortium
Its a specifically German test aircraft. Its operating from Manching, Germany. German personnel. German markings and colors.
It’s not specifically owned by Germany. It’s owned by NETMA who test and procure for all nations within the eurofighter consortium for there needs and wants. It’s just happened to be the aircraft that was supplied by the consortium was one from the luftwaffe. It’s a test and development aircraft for everyone within the consortium. Hence why British and Italian pilots also test with it.
Mk.1 isn’t inferior per se tho. It’s just mire focused on conventional radar operations like instead of EW. Mk.2 is a radar made for EW, and will likely sacrifice some normal capabilities for it (otherwise I don’t see the point in using combined GaAs and GaN, I doubt their trying to he cheap)
Less cheap, more fast. MK1 is less capable overall and thus was ready a few years sooner. Germany was eager to get the ball rolling on P4E asap
Yeah, because we decided to forgo EW capabilities. It’ll be worse in that regard sure, but better in others. Not one of them is worse than the other objectivly, it depends on what you want more. So calling one inferior is just wrong