ERC Sagaie I TTB190 - stabilized 90mm car for France

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This is a suggestion about the TTB190 on the original ERC chassis, not the Sagaie II chassis (which is an improvement over the original Sagaie chassis)

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In 1983, Panhard showcased its ERC chassis with the more modern TTB190 turret. However vehicle performance wasn’t as good with the new turret as it was with the older TS90 due to heavier weight. This prompted the development of the Sagaie 2, with larger tyres, engine bay and better amphibious capability, out 2 years later in 1985.

Your normal ERC Sagaie I is equipped with a Peugeot V6 developing 155hp at 5250rpm. Its combat weight is 8100kg in combat order with the TS90. However due to the heavier TTB190 turret, which is 3200kg (combat order) instead of 2650 kg (combat order) for the TS90, the vehicle gains 550 kg, putting the Sagaie I (TTB190) at 8650kg (8.65t) in combat order. Giving us an hp/t of 17.9 which is not too far from the 19 hp/t of the Sagaie II (to be fair, it has 2 engines).

The armament is a 90mm 90F4 “Super 90” gun already found ingame on the MARS 15. Coaxial is a .50 cal as seen on picture (the 7.62 does not require a large hole, it is the one seen on the catalogue down in the suggestion)

Maximum speed are the same as the TS90 ERC, that is to say 100km/h forward with its 6 forward/ 1reverse gearbox.

The new, larger turret allows for a total of 32 rounds ( in turret’s bussle) instead of 20 on the TS90 equipped Sagaie and comes with a stabilization system as well as periscopic (14,5 proof mantlet as seen on this Sagaie does not allow for the telescopic sight) day/night channels for bot the gunner (SFIM LRS 5 periscopic sight x8 7° day, x4 7,3° night, integrated LRF) and commander (Aeritalia P 204 , x1 26° - x8 9° day, x8 7,9° night)

Full specs can be read here.

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Detail about the semi-autoloader can be read (and seen) here

Another detail is

“le chef de char peut utiliser sa lunette pour le tir en car d’urgence”

Commander (/loader) can use his sight for emergency fire

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Thermals are optional but were only mounted on the Sagaie II.

For self protection the turret is equipped with 8 smoke grenade launchers, 4 per side.

While a later round, the ERC 90 Sagaie I is compatible with the DU version of the OFL 90 F1 and can be added to the car in case of lack of firepower

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This is a suggestion about the TTB190 on the original ERC chassis, not the Sagaie II chassis (which is an improvement over the original Sagaie chassis)

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In 1983, Panhard showcased its ERC chassis with the more modern TTB190 turret. However vehicle performance wasn’t as good with the new turret as it was with the older TS90 due to heavier weight. This prompted the development of the Sagaie 2, with larger tyres, engine bay and better amphibious capability, out 2 years later in 1985.

Your normal ERC Sagaie I is equipped with a Peugeot V6 developing 155hp at 5250rpm. Its combat weight is 8100kg in combat order with the TS90. However due to the heavier TTB190 turret, which is 3200kg (combat order) instead of 2650 kg (combat order) for the TS90, the vehicle gains 550 kg, putting the Sagaie I (TTB190) at 8650kg (8.65t) in combat order. Giving us an hp/t of 17.9 which is not too far from the 19 hp/t of the Sagaie II (to be fair, it has 2 engines).

The armament is a 90mm 90F4 “Super 90” gun already found ingame on the MARS 15. Coaxial is a .50 cal as seen on picture (the 7.62 does not require a large hole, it is the one seen on the catalogue down in the suggestion)

Maximum speed are the same as the TS90 ERC, that is to say 100km/h forward with its 6 forward/ 1reverse gearbox.

The new, larger turret allows for a total of 32 rounds ( in turret’s bussle) instead of 20 on the TS90 equipped Sagaie and comes with a stabilization system as well as periscopic (14,5 proof mantlet as seen on this Sagaie does not allow for the telescopic sight) day/night channels for bot the gunner (SFIM LRS 5 periscopic sight x8 7° day, x4 7,3° night, integrated LRF) and commander (Aeritalia P 204 , x1 26° - x8 9° day, x8 7,9° night)

Full specs can be read here.

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Detail about the semi-autoloader can be read (and seen) here

Another detail is

“le chef de char peut utiliser sa lunette pour le tir en car d’urgence”

Commander (/loader) can use his sight for emergency fire

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Thermals are optional

For self protection the turret is equipped with 8 smoke grenade launchers, 4 per side.

While a later round, the ERC 90 Sagaie I is compatible with the DU version of the OFL 90 F1 and can be added to the car in case of lack of firepower

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For those who are confused by the ERC 90 Sagaie I and Sagaie II there is one simple trick to differentiate those 2 very similar vehicles

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Sagaie 2
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Jane’s Armour and Artillery 1985-86

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SAMM TTB 190 turret brochure

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Défense et Armement Mai 85

Turret weights and subsequent hp/t were calculated using Jane’s AFV retrofit 93

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Yes please! More wheeled French vehicles which AREN’T PREMIUM! +1

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Wierd little thing. Me like :D

The 90 F4, a 12.7mm coaxial gun, a stabilizer, it’s beautiful. We really could use this in-game, I would definitely enjoy playing it.

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Awesome, France needs a stabilized light/support vehicle would love to see this in game, does this vehicle only have NVD?

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This specific one ? yesn’t
If Gaijin wants it it can get thermal it’s part of the turret capability
But only the ERC Sagaie II recieved those for trials
IMO they should milk four versions out of the chassis/turret
ERC Sagaie I TTB190 : basic chassis and turret
ERC Sagaie II TTB190 (1985) : upgrade chassis, more hp/t, no thermals
ERC Sagaie II TTB190 (SA) : upgraded chassis, more hp/t, thermals
ERC Sagaie NG TTB190 : old chassis, new composite armour add-on, same turret

Turret can be reused for the VBC TTB190 as well
Chassis can be reused for ERC TTB125 + ERC TA20 + ERC MARS + ERC TTB140

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Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.

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