It is true that EldE lacks any form of E/O.
Does that mean slave to radar will be implememented? Who knows.
I would not be surprised if gaijin gave it a “fake turret” that would carry the missile seeker with it, forcing us to play a 3rd person lock game.
watch your tone and words because i didnt insult you.
second of all “yes wonderfull thats the firing position” but you need something to fire the missiles right? what you need? because as far as i know no missile can be fired without the assistance of an electro-optical sensor or radar. or maybe you think that the missiles use some kind of black magic to lock onto the planes could be that? sigh* this people in the forum man are geniuses.
I mean, it is entierly possible to enable the missile seeker and acces it. ASRAAM was used like that.
However i dont know if EldE has such capability,
Ofc ignoring the part where target gets in missile FOV by itself. You know, like most of the older missiles worked.
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Btw the leaks for the chinese one say it comes with manpads so…
bro i cant with this its to much for me sorry am going to sleep because its to much i cant believe the things am reading right now. guys just wait pls just wait and you will see how the system works. have a good day.
WDYM, what you wrote is just factually wrong. There are multiple missiles that can be fired without any radar or E/O. That is literally how the missiles worked for a good amout of time. And even now as i gave my example, in some cases seeker can be accesed to manually aim it while on the rail, no other system needed.
Or were things like AIM-9B radar slaved?
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it has earlier allready been discussed that LOAL can also mean the missle gets feeded target information before launch, gets launched orientates based on the feeded data and then locks on the seeker, technicaly that is LOAL even if the controller is not able to switch target after launch
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Wait i thought the derby can be lunched witg the optical lock with dl
Well u can still add this with just python 4 and it will be type 81(or just model the radar kn the truck)
I dont say its insted the spyder aio that will be on par with the new spaas km saying it should have bwwn added radar or not and if its only with python 4 its ok it can be a perfect 11.0/3 to israel
I really hope Israel gets either the SPYDER AIO or the SPYDER-SR. Both can be limited to early variants, so they would match the Pantsirs range with their 15-20km range Python 4s.
For Britain the best hope seems to be the Cactus sam with SAHV missiles. The ZA-HVM and G6-HVM could be options, but Gaijin seems to be way too picky when it comes to unfinished vehicles.
I don’t even know what they could give to nations like Japan and Italy. Most nations seem to have gone from Manpads range straight to 40km+ range air defenses and often just in form of semi-mobile units that wouldn’t work for WT.
I feel like adding stuff with up to 40km range and artificially nerfing their range would be warranted at this point, considering how dominant top tier CAS is, but Gaijin seems to think otherwise.
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Python 4 doesnt have 20km range from the ground( maybe with booster)
Guess 15km would be fine as well, unless Python 5s are somehow limited to 20km range when surface launched
It is quite finnished. Just a one off prototype.
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15km is from a plane
From the ground i doubt it will be more then 10km
Look at the irist its 25km from a plane but 12 from the ground
Lets just hope gaijin will model the booster so we gonna have 15km python 4
Or just python 5
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Fair
As far as I could read, in a Spyder AIO, the range is 15 km for the Python 5s, however, I don’t know if it’s LOAL or not, though it shouldn’t really matter, as the range would still be the same. And the brochures say the Spyder SR has a 20 km range more or less, but that might just be marketing.
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Wdym marketing?
They dont lie if something it can be more then that but its clasified
Like we know python 5 has 20km+ from a plane but idf stated it close to 120 performance(probably 120a) and can do short range bvr
Well, I don’t know, some people say brochures have some type of marketing purposes, so be it. Though I doubt they add the Python 5 without adding the P4, as it’s been wandering for some time on the files.
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Type 81 2.0
it should be a lot better than that, even if its not the new best spaa
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I think you have completely missunderstood how this missile works. It’s an air-to-air missile that has been re-programmed (zero physical changes) to be launched as a surface-to-air missile.
It has its own IIR optical seeker in the nose (Just like any IR based missile on any aircraft) the only thing the radar does is tell the missile in what direction to fly when it’s launched. After launch there is zero communication between the vehicle and the missile and the missile functions exactly like any airborne IR-missile (with some changes to guidance logic to achieve optimal range for the new launch conditions).
The IRIS-T IIR sensor in its nose can angle itself in a 180deg dome relative to the direction it’s pointing, meaning that when it’s angled upright at 90deg in the launcher it can see everything around it. I think you’ve misunderstood the 180 and 90 deg to be a “total” angle instead of a “plus minus” angle.
Just compare to any of the first ever built IR-missiles, the only thing the carrier did was to tell the missile “arm” and “fire”, nothing else, no extra sensors, no radar slaving, nothing. With the IRIS-T everything is located in the missile, the pilot/operator just tells it were to go and it goes there looking for targets if it doesn’t already have one.
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