Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT

Do you support an Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT?
  • Yes as a full TT (starts at Tier I)
  • Yes as a Israeli Style TT (starts at Tier III)
  • No, not yet
  • No, never
  • Maybe/I don’t know/I don’t care

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Are you okay with Sudanese, Palestinian, and/or North Yemeni vehicles being added in the UAR TT?
  • Yes
  • No
  • I don’t Know/I don’t Care

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What Nations should be able to unlock the Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT (multiple choice)?
  • USSR
  • UK
  • Italy
  • Germany
  • France
  • Other/a nation that is not in WT (please specify)
  • I voted “Yes as a full TT” in the first poll
  • I voted “No” in the first poll

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Note: This thread is very incomplete is currently under construction so please be patient as i fill out the details. Also if you have any additional info, images, sources or even vehicles i missed please let me know

Ever since the Israeli TT is added to WT a couple of years ago, i find it quite odd that is the only TT from that region (The Middle-East/Eastern Mediterranean) is currently represented especially when you consider that Israel is at war with most of it’s neighbours at one point some of which are still at war to this day. Because of this i suggest that an Arab TT (possibly multiple) be added, structured similarly to the Israeli TT to remedy this issue and i ultimately choose an Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT as a start

What the Egypto-Syrian (UAR) could potentially look like

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Vehicles:

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Tier III

G.55A: Operated by Both

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The G.55A is a postwar variant of the G.55’s found in the Italian TT, the main difference is the total absence of the wing mounted MG-151’s, instead utilizing wing mounted 50.cal Breda-SAFAT HMG’s, the engine mounted MG-151 is also ommited in this variant though the mounting of a 20mm is still possible (most likely in a form of a Hispano Mk.V). The rest of the specs is identical to the G.55’s in the Italian TT. Egypt and Syria are 2 of the 3 countries to operate the G.55A the last one being Argentina, Egyptian and Syrian G.55 were operational during the First Arab-Israeli war of 1948. The G.55A will be the starting vehicle for the Egypto-Syrian TT

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C.205V: Operated by Egypt

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The C.205V is a postwar variant of the C.205, like with the G.55 previously the C.205V has it’s MG-151’s omitted and replaced with 50.cal Breda-SAFAT’s, Performance wise it is identical to the other C.205’s. Also like with the G.55’s they saw combat in the First Arab-Israeli war

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Spitfire F Mk.IX (Clipped Wing): Operated by Egypt

AT-6 Texan: Operated by Syria

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Syria operated a few AT-6 Texans during the First Arab-Israeli war of 1948 primarily used as a light bomber and ground attack aircraft, equipped with 2 7.65mm machine guns, 1 backfiring lmg, 2 pairs of 100lbs bombs and potentially some unguided rockets most likely in the form of RP-3’s or HVARS, several were lost to ground fire and being shot down by IDF S-199 Sakeen’s, it will be the first aircraft in the second fighter bomber line

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Tomahawk Mk.IIA (Operated by Egypt)

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Egypt received 6 Tomahawk Mk.IIa’s from the RAF starting in 1943, they served in the REAF in the 6th sqd (later the 17th sqd) until the late 1940’s

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Hurricane Mk.IIC: Operated by Egypt

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The Royal Egyptian Airforce inherited a handful of Hurricane Mk.IIC’s used primarily as a ground attack aircraft, the Mk.IIC is not ingame yet potentially giving the UAR TT a unique Hurricane variant, the main difference between the Mk.IIC’s and the regular Mk.II’s is the 8 7.7mm’s are replaced with 4 20mm Hispano autocannons, as for secondary armaments the Mk.IIC’s can utilize 250 or 500lbs bombs, RP-3’s or even a pair of wing mounted fuel tanks. They saw service during WWII & the First Arab-Israeli War

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Halifax Mk.I: Operated by Egypt

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Egypt operated a fleet of Heavy Bombers of British origin, the Halifax is one of them, it is functionally identical to the Halifax found in the British TT, it will be the first aircraft in the Bombers & Ground Attack of the UAR TT

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Short Stirling Mk.IV: Operated by Egypt

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This is another Heavy Bomber of British origin operated by the Royal Egyptian Airforce, unlike the Halifax before and the Lancaster after the Stirling respectively, it is a little bit different from the Stirling’s from the British TT, for starters the Mk.IV is originally not intended for bombing since the Mk.IV is designed for transport, para-gliding, paratrooper and glider towing duties however when the Egyptians brought the Stirlings they modify the bombing capabilities back onto them, it is currently unclear if the defensive armaments were re-implemented onto the Mk.IV’s

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Spitfire F.Mk IX (Premium): Operated by Egypt

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The Mk.IX Spits operated by Egypt are functionally identical to the F.Mk IX in the British except it will be able to access wing mounted 250lbs bombs and RP-3 rockets for some limited CAS duties, The Mk.IX alongside the absent Mk.V are inherited from the RAF and saw service in WWII & the First Arab-Israeli War. As a premium on the one hand it would be a boring but that’s mostly due to there being not a lot of choices to choose from on the other hand because it is a boring one and it’s a aircraft that a lot of people have flown it should be an effective grinder from Tier III to Tier IV

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G.59-2A: Operated by Syria

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Syria brought around 30 G.59-2A’s prior to the First Arab-Israeli War and is one of two nations to operate this type the other being Argentina. Syria brought the G.59 to replace their exhausted G.55’s, this is the first truly “unique” aircraft to appear though this is more due to the fact that the G.59 is still yet to appear in the Italian TT (Italy operated the 4A variants of the G.59 if anybody is wondering). The G.59 Itself is an evolution of the G.55 with several upgrades, first of which is the engine is changed from the depleting DB 605 engines to the more commonly available Rolls-Royce Merlin Engines, as a result it gives the G.59 a different nose as well as making the mounting of a weapon going through the engine an impossibility. Speaking of Weapons the G.59 is equipped with 4 wing mounted Hispano Mk.V Autocannons.

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Spitfire LF.Mk IX: Operated by Egypt

Spitfire Mk.22: Operated by Both

Sea Fury FB.11: Operated by Egypt

B-33: Operated by North Yemen

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The B-33 is a licensed built variant of the ubiquitous Il-10 & Il-10M ground attack Aircraft, the B-33 also featured slightly different payloads from the regular Il-10’s. The Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen brought 24 Avia B-33’s in 1957 and saw service in the North Yemeni Civil war which is against Nasserite rebels. The pro-Nasserite faction ultimately won the civil war to form the Yememi Arab Republic, inheriting all of the deposed kingdom’s weaponry including the B-33’s, it is not clear if the YARAF operated the B-33 or not but it is highly likely that they did operate a model for a least a few years until retiring them due to obsolesce and lack of spare parts

This marks as the first vehicle to be added that is not operated by either Egypt or Syria and is the first of very few North Yemeni vehicles, primarily added due to the Yememi Arab Republic’s very close to Nasserite Egypt if not completely owe it’s existence to the Nasser regime. Normally the B-33 would be a premium or event vehicle but due to a total lack of true Ground Attack aircraft in Tier IV it will be a TT vehicles. To make sure that is functionally different to the Russian and Chinese Il-10’s the Yemeni B-33 will have the clipped wings found on the Il-10M’s instead of the rounded wings of the Chinese and Russian Il-10’s as well as the armaments found exclusively on the B-33 subvariants.

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Lancaster B Mk.I: Operated by Egypt

Sea Fury NX798 (Premium/Pre-Order): Operated by Egypt

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This is an Sea Fury prototype that Egypt (illegitimately) got their hands on during a sales tour, as a side note this is not the only time where a Sea Fury prototype is under the hands of a former British colony, Sea Fury NX802 was operated by the Pakistani Airforce. Aside from having a different engine it is functionally identical to the FB.11. Like with the Premium Spit it is functionally a boring premium, unlike the Premium it has a interesting and even hilarious story behind it so it definitely justifies being a premium in that regards alone, as well as being one of the two starting pre-order/pack premiums

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Hosni Mubarak’s Spitfire F Mk.22 (Premium): Egyptian Hero vehicle

Tier V

Meteor NF.13: Operated by Both

Meteor F.8: Operated by Both

MiG-15Bis: Operated by Both

Vampire T.55: Operated by Both

Vampire FB.52: Operated by Both

HA-200 Al Qahira: Operated by Egypt

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The HA-200 is a jet powered advanced trainer and light attack aircraft that was designed by the famed Willy Messerschmitt, this was one of the last aircraft that Messerschmitt designed. The HA-200 was came about because Spain desperately needed a more modern combat trainer and attack aircraft, Spain is still stuck with aircraft from the Inter-war period like the SB-2M for example. so in 1951 the Francoist government hired Messerschmitt to design a jet powered combat trainer for them and it would be produced by Hispano Aviación. The first functioning prototype in the 12th of August 1955 and was put into service in the Spanish Airforce in 1962.

While the HA-200 was still in the prototype/testing phase the Egyptian government saw interest in the project and in 1959 the Egyptian government successfully got a license to produce the HA-200 in Egypt. Willy Messerschmitt was also eventually sent to Egypt partially to supervise in the construction of the HA-200 but mostly Messerschmitt was in Egypt to develop the HA-300 which the project was just restarted by the Egyptian government. The HA-200’s that was produced in Egypt were known as “HA-200B Al-Qahira’s” which Egypt produced a total of 65 from 1960 to 1969 meaning that the Al-Qahira was put into service around the same time as Spain’s HA-200’s. Egypt also operated around 10 Spanish built HA-200 ontop of the 65 they produced locally bringing the number of total HA-200’s Egypt operated is 75.

Performance and armament wise it is almost identical to their Spanish counterparts (HA-200A/D), using the same nose-mounted lmg’s, Oerlikon rockets, rocketpods and light bombs (both HE/AT & Napalm). One noticeable difference is that Egyptian HA-200’s can mount 20mm gunpods under the cockpit, in comparison Early Spanish HA-200 are unable to mount 20mm gunpods and only the later, dedicated ground attack variants of the HA-200’s (HA-220’s) can mount the gunpods

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B-228: Operated by Egypt

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Egypt operated a total of 70 Il-28’s of both Soviet and Czech origin designated B-228, including Reece and Trainer variants, first seeing service in the Suez crisis against the Anglo-French and Israeli forces. Later Egyptian Airforce Il-28’s saw service in the North Yemeni civil war acting as a tactical bomber, a couple were shot down by Royal Saudi Airforce Hawker Hunters. Finally the B-228 saw service in the Six-Day war, War of Attrition and Yom-Kippur war, the Il-28 were seen as prized targets for the IDF since they were one of the few aircraft to threaten the Israeli homeland. Four Egyptian Il-28’s were donated to Nigeria during the Nigerian civil war to face against the rebelling Igbo peoples in the Biafra region

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Meteor F.4 (Premium): Operated by Egypt

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MiG-17PF: Operated by Both

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MiG-21F-13: Operated by Both

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HA-300 Pre prod.: Operated by Egypt

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The HA-300 is a delta wing, supersonic fighter that was designed by the famed Willy Messerschmitt, the last one infact. The HA-300 project originally started in Spain as the “HA P-300” and produced by Hispano Aviación, the aircraft company that Messerschmitt is working for. Hispano produced a glider prototype of the HA P-23 and even “flew” though not under it’s own weight before the Spanish killed the contract for it due to a multitude of factors ranging from the ranging from the Spanish government interested in the F-86 Sabre, to rising cost of developing the HA P-23 to even instability in the glider prototype.

Fortunately for Willy Messerschmitt and the HA-300 project, Spain wasn’t the only nation that is interested in the HA-300, India and especially Egypt. India never did much on the project other than show interest in it, mostly due to India being more focus on the HF-24 Marut, also a final design from a famed German aircraft designer this time Kurt Tank. Egypt on the other hand did show massive interest in the project and essentially restarted the program even hiring a lot of the same people who developed the HA P-23 including Messerschmitt himself to work for Helwan, a state owned aircraft company. When working for the Egyptian government, the development team managed to fix alot of the issues with the original glider. In March 7th 1964, the HA-300 made it’s first flight under it’s own weight with 2 more functional prototypes being built within the next 2 years.

Originally the HA-300 was powered by a Bristol Orpheus 703 S-10 engine but due to an embargo being placed on Egypt as a result of the Suez crisis, the Egyptian government decided it should be a wise move to develop an afterburning jet in house for self sufficiency purposes so they hired Austrian Engine designer Ferdinand Brandner to develop Egypt’s first domestically built jet engine. This engine will be known as the “Brandner E-300”, this was first tested on a An-12 then on the third prototype of the HA-300 and even on a HF-24 Marut with all tests being successful, there were 3 prototypes that were built and at least 7 pre-production aircraft planned to be built however the HA-300 program all of a sudden was cancelled in 1969, the reason wasn’t stated but it generally accepted that it was shut-down by Mossad and Soviet Intervention due to the HA-300 directly competing with the MiG-21. Miraculously all 3 prototypes are in preservation one in Egypt and the other two in Germany

For primary weapons the HA-300 was armed with either 2 20mm Hispano Mk.V or 4 23mm autocannons as for secondary weapons the HA-300 can equip up to 4 R-3’s, R-13M’s AAM’s as well as a pair of S-5K rocketpods, dumb-bombs and external fuel tanks

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HA-300 (E-300): Operated by Egypt

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This alludes to the third Prototype of the HA-300 with the Brandner E-300 engine, the E-300 in comparison was significantly more powerful to the Bristol Orpheus that the first two prototype had. For example the Bristol Orpheus 703-S-10 produced 21-7 kN (4,900 lbf) dry and 36.3 kN (8,200 lbf) with afterburner, the E-300 on the other hand produces 32.4 kN (7,300 lbf) thrust dry and 47.2 kN (10,600 lbf) with afterburner, resulting in the HA-300 with the E-300 engine being able to reach Mach 2.1. Because of this significant leap in performance it will get a higher BR. Due to the over-saturation of (mostly ground attack) aircraft with All Aspects AAM’s the E-300 will receive 12-24 large countermeasure pods, the CM pods are ahistorical and only really added for balancing reasons. The armament loadouts are otherwise identical to the other HA-300’s

Lim-5 mod.: Operated by Egypt

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Egypt operated a large fleet of MiG-17F’s, this also includes Foreign built MiG-17F’s like the Czech built S.104 and Polish built Lim-5’s and 6’s, exact numbers are currently unknown and it does not help that Lim-5’s 6’s and S.104 are visually identical to their Soviet counterpart, only really differing in weapon loadouts (if at all) and Egypt being an autocracy so getting information can be quite tricky. Speaking of loadouts all surviving Egyptian Lim-5’s, 6’, S.104’s and MiG-17F’s were modified to carry different secondary ordinances as it’s role was change from being a Fighter/Interceptor to a Ground Attack and Light Bomber aircraft. First being the use of Sakr air to ground unguided rockets, with a total of 8 to carry though it is possible that it could potentially carry up to 16 rockets (8 additional on the two inner wing pylons). The second difference is the addition of 2 fuselage pylons giving it the ability to carry 2 100kg bombs ontop of the 2 250kg bombs on the inner wing pylons, there is also a possibility that it could mount S-5k rocketpods on the fuselage pylons but this is speculation. The final difference is due to it’s role as a ground attack aircraft it would lack the ability to use AAM’s

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Lim-6bis: Operated by Egypt

FT-6: Operated by Egypt

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The FT-6 is a combat trainer variant of the F-6A built by Shenyang in China. Because this is the Combat trainer variant it only has one cannon similar to how the Su-22U3MK only has one cannon, otherwise it can access the same secondary ordinances that the F-6A uses

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MiG-19SF: Operated by Egypt

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Egypt operated MiG-19’s and F-6’s (Chinese Built MiG-19’s) starting in the Early 1960’s. Egyptian MiG-19’s saw service in the North Yemeni Civil war as a Ground Attack and CAS aircraft for the Pro-Nasserite faction, Egyptian MiG-19’s also saw service in the Six Day War, War of Attrition and Yom Kippur wars. An Egyptian MiG-19 was engaged against 2 IDF Mirage IIICJ Shahak’s, successfully downing one of them with cannon fire. Otherwise Egypt normally used their MiG-19’s as a Ground Attack aircraft. All of Egypt’s MiG-19’s & J-6’s were replaced by F-16A’s

I chose the MiG-19SF variant over the regular MiG-19S (Egypt operated both variant as well as their Chinese counterparts, the J-6C) since the SF is not only a later built MiG-19 but also the Tumansky RD-9B engines that the regular MiG-19S has being replaced with RD-9BF-1 giving it a significant boost in performance

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HA-300 Prototype (Premium/Pre-Order): Operated by Egypt

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This is essentially the first prototype of the HA-300, It will be very similar to the HA-300 pre production with the only major difference being that it won’t be able to get access to the stabiliser slats on the wings making it less stable than the Pre-production & E-300 counterparts as well other aerodynamic differences. Otherwise it is identical to the other HA-300’s. The prototype will receive an unlockable Indian and Spanish Airforce Skin and the same paintjob that the HA.P-23 glider prototype had for the pre-order pack

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MiG-21RF (Squadron): Operated by Egypt

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The MiG-21R’s are the designated Multirole Recce & ELINT variant of the MiG-21, the closest comparable variant being the MiG-21S. Egypt brought a unique variant of the MiG-21R tailored to their needs designated as “MiG-21RF” with two major differences, the first difference is that unlike the regular MiG-21R, the Egyptian MiG-21RF’s have their cameras permanently mounted, this means that it is very likely that the RF is unable to mount the 23mm autocannon, the other major difference is that the Egyptian MiG-21RF can use AIM-9’s, though this is not unique to the RF since all the later MiG variants Egypt operated also used AIM-9’s i am specifically going to make it that the MiG-21RF with the exception of the R-13M1 only be able to use AIM-9’s as their AAM options (AIM-9B’s AIM-9P’s and possibly AIM-9L’s). The RF uses the same ground attack ordinances and ECM pod that the S & MF uses

This is a Ideal Squadron vehicles since it has some unique quirks to it gameplaywise (mostly due to using US AAM’s and lacking the cannon) and overall functions as a sidegrade to the MiG-21MF

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HF-24 Marut Mk.1 BX (Event): Joint Indo-Egyptian Development

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The HF-24 Marut is a Fighter-Bomber designed by the famed German Aircraft designer Kurt Tank, more specifically this was his last Aircraft that Tank would design. The HF-24 was originally intended for the Argentine Air Force as the “IA-43 Pulqui”, due to several factors including political instability in Argentina, the IA-43 was canned with Kurt Tank being out of a job. Around the Same time this was happening the Indian Government is looking at developing their own domestic fighter aircraft that can break the sound barrier but lack the technical and manufacturing know-how so they hired the recently unemployed Kurt Tank as their head designer of the project inadvertently restarting the IA-43 project now as the “HF-24”

The first prototype flew in 1961, the designed was sound in every way except for one major issue, it was underpowered, the HF-24 prototypes and pre-production aircraft used Bristol Orpheus 703’s if you are wondering. So the Indian MoD & Tank’s design team seek ways to remedy this issue, their first attempt is to mount Tumansky RD-9BF-1 engines however this attempt was a failure due to reliability issues to power surges. So in November 1964 the Indian Government signed a collaboration agreement with the Egyptian Government to develop the E-300 and to use the Engine in the Marut. In July of 1966 a modified pre-production Marut designated “Marut Mk.1 BX” was flown to the Helwan Factory to mount the E-300 engine and the Marut Mk.1 BX did many test flights in Egypt starting in the end of March 1967. The project suddenly went to a complete halt at the outbreak of the Six-Day War and the Indian government cancelled the project in 1969 due to lack of progress, strangely the test crew was recalled back but not the aircraft itself.

This is a prime event vehicle because even though the Egyptian Airforce itself did not test the HF-24 let alone accept it into service though the Indian government did propose the Marut, including the abandoned prototype, the modifications were done by Helwan, test flown in Egypt and the Egyptian government did co-develop it. Also if the Egyptian/UAR TT is added before the Indian TT, this could be a good way to add an indigenous Indian aircraft with an obscure but interesting story behind it.

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As a side note: The HF-24 Marut & HA-300 have a lot of things in common; Both were designed by ubiquitous German Aircraft designers, both were originally for Non-Aligned Spanish Speaking countries with Third-Positionist ideologies, both were rejected by said Spanish speaking nations only to be picked up and continued on by Non-Aligned Developing Nations, both used engines form the Bristol Orpheus 703 family of engines, both had alternative engines due to issues relating to the Orpheus 703, both had mounted the E-300 engine and had test flights with them and ultimately both had very high potential to be amazing aircraft possibly even be the best aircraft of their generation only to have it’s true potential stifled in one way or another with “political reasons” as a common factor.

Mansour’s MiG-21FL (Premium): Syrian Hero vehicle

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Mansour’s MiG-21FL can refer to two aces in the Syrian Airforce, Fayez Mansour and Muhammad Mansour both were related. Fayez first started his career in the Syrian Air Force flying the MiG-17, successfully getting an ace in the MiG-17 with 8 kills total. Later Fayez moved into operating the MiG-21FL the specifics of this specific variant i’ll explain in the next paragraph. Fayez will gain another 6 kills in the MiG-21 bringing the total of downed aircraft up to 14 making Fayez Mansour the highest scoring Syrian Ace, a title that still holds to this day, Fayez will eventually die in combat against the IDF in an air engagement. Muhammad Mansour the younger brother of the two didn’t downed as many IDF aircraft that Fayez did though he scored an ace of his own, Muhammad Mansour is noteable for a different reason. While doing his training on the MiG-21 discovered a Zero-G maneuver unintentionally by inadvertently pitching the nose upwards almost ceasing all forward momentum, only for Muhammad to engage the afterburner resulting in the nose point almost vertically. Muhammad was on the verge of stalling himself out and crashing the aircraft only to restore control of the aircraft and landed it safely, Muhammad Mansour managed to successfully replicate this Zero-G maneuver several times, this maneuver will later be known as the “Pugachev” or “Cobra” maneuver when Soviet pilots replicated this 2 decades later.

Here is a link to an article that explains about this: The Unknown Story of the Syrian MiG-21 Pilot who Developed the Cobra Manoeuvre: i.e. Pugachev Wasn’t the First to Perform the Cobra - The Aviation Geek Club

The MiG-21FL is essentially a downgraded MiG-21PF with worse radar, avionics and engine for the Export market. Originally the MiG-21FL started out without a cannon though the FL’s were later modified to equip the GSH-23 cannon in a belly pod when the lackluster performance of the R-3 AAM’s was made apparent. In effect the MiG-21FL acts like a MiG-21F-13 but with a 23mm instead of a 30mm.

This was chosen as a premium partially due to it’s history in the Syrian airforce but also it is a MiG-21 variant that we do not have ingame as of writing this. The MiG-21FL has more of a role and purpose in the UAR TT than in the Soviet TT

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Mirage 5F/M (Premium): Operated by Egypt/Zaire

F-5B (Squadron): Operated by North Yemen

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The North Yemeni Airforce obtained 4 F-5B’s from 1979, North Yemen got pilots and technical support from Taiwan of all nations to aid North Yemeni pilots in operating F-5B’s alongside their F-5E’s. The Current Yemeni Airforce operated 2 F-5B’s as of 2023

This will be a squadron vehicle since the F-5B like the MiG-21RF it lacks a cannon but otherwise can use AAM’s (4 Aim-9’s) and Ground Ordinances essentially a side grade to the F-5A. The F-5B will get a ballistics computer as well

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MiG-21MF: Operated by Both

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Is essentially identical to the MiG-21MF found in the German TT. Both Syrian and Egyptian MiG-21MF’s saw service in the Yom-Kippur war, Syrian MiG-21MF’s saw several other engagements against the IDF over the Golan Heights and Lebanon with heavy losses while Egyptian MiG-21MF saw action in a brief war against Libya, Egypt managed to done 6 Libyan Aircraft with their MiG-21MF’s at the cost of one.

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MiG-21UP: Operated by Egypt

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The MiG-21UP’s are essentially upgraded MiG-21MF’s done both locally in the 1980’s and later with further upgrades by an Ukrainian firm in the 1990-2000’s, the first set of upgrades gives Egyptian MiG-21MF’s the ability to use AIM-9 sidewinders, because of that the only Soviet AAM’s that the UP can use is the R-13M and one other missile that i’ll mention a little bit later. The Second upgrade Package done by the Ukrainian firm is far more extensive, giving it more modern Avionics and a helmet mounted display, this allows it to fire R-73, the only other Soviet AAM that the UP can use. Performance and secondary armaments as far as i know are identical to the regular MF.

F-5E: Operated by North Yemen

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North Yemen got their first batch of F-5E’s from the US via Saudi-Arabia alongside 4 F-5B’s in 1979 with additional F-5’s arriving in the coming years. The F-5’s operated by North Yemen were passed on to the Current Yemeni Air-Force where they are still in service to this day

The Yemeni F-5E is identical to the F-5E found in the US TT though it might get access to a Ballistics computer

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L-59: Operated by Egypt

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Egypt brought around 42 L-59 Super Albatrosses from 1993-1994 to fill in the advanced trainer and light attack role, using the same armament found on the L-39ZA. The Major difference is a new engine giving the L-59 better performance over the L-39ZA as well as updated avionics and a HUD Display

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Alpha Jet MS1 & MS2: Operated by Egypt

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During the Late 1970 & Early 1980’s the Egyptian airforce wanted a new combat trainer and light attack aircraft to replace their aging L-29 Delfin, MiG-15UTI’s & MiG-17’s/Lim-6’s. In 1979 the Egyptian government brought a license to build the Alpha-Jet from Dassault, designated as the “Alpha Jet MS-1”. The first 4 of the MS-1’s were actually produced in France while the remaining 26 were produced in Egypt, more specifically in the same factory where the HA-200 & 300 were produced. In addition to the 26 MS1’s built under license in Egypt another 15 were produced locally as the “Alpha-Jet MS-2” bringing the total built to 45.

The MS-1 is essentially an Alpha Jet E while the MS-2 is closer to the Alpha Jet NGAE however there are a couple of differences to the Egyptian Alpha Jets from their French counterparts. The First difference is that both Egyptian variants can use the Exocet ASM giving the MS1 & 2 a unique anti-shipping role that the other Alpha Jets do not have. The MS-1 initially lack the ability to mount the Magic AAM while the MS-2 had the ability from the start as well as a laser rangefinder and a HUD. Egypt sold around 7 Alpha Jet MS-2’s to Cameroon

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F-4EG: Operated by Egypt

Mirage 5E2 & Mirage 5SDE: Operated by Egypt

Su-17K: Operated by Egypt

Su-22M3 & M4: Operated by Both

MiG-23MF (Premium): Operated by Syria

MiG-21bis (Premium): Operated by North Yemen

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North Yemen obtained MiG-21bis’s in 1979 at the earliest, the current Yemeni air Force operated around 11 MiG-21bis as of 2023, it is functionally identical to the MiG-21 in the Soviet TT

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Su-20C (Squadron): Operated by Egypt

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MiG-23MLD: Used by Syria

MiG-29SM & SMT: Used by Syria

F-16A Block-15 ADF: Used by Egypt

Mirage 2000EM: Used by Egypt

MiG-25RB: Used by Syria

Su-24MK & M2: Used by Syria

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Mi-2B: Operated by Syria

Mi-8TVB: Operated by Both

Westland Commando Mk.2/Mk.2B: Operated by Egypt

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SH-2G(E): Operated by Egypt

SA-342K: Operated by Egypt

Mi-24D: Operated by Both

SA-342L: Operated by Both

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Bo-105: Operated by Sudan

UH-60A: Operated by Egypt

Mi-24P: Operated by Syria

Mi-35M: Operated by Syria

Tier VIII
UH-60M: Operated by Egypt

AW-149(E): Operated by Egypt

AH-64D(E): Operated by Egypt

Ka-52E “Nile Crocodile”: Operated by Egypt

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Panzer IV G, H & J: Operated by Syria

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Syria Brought a total of 110 Panzer IV, 60 Panzer IV’s from France and 50 from Czechoslovakia between 1950 and 1952, mostly consisting of Panzer IV G, H & J with a couple being a hybrid of a earlier Panzer IV hull with a later Panzer IV turret. There is two main differences that sets the Syrian Panzer IV’s from the others, firstly they lack the winterketten track upgrade as well as the sideskirt and secondly, Syria modded the cupola so to make equip a roof mounted Breda-SAFAT or DSHK HMG, they saw service during the Six-Day war which includes an encounter between Israeli M-50’s and various Syrian operated vehicles including Panzer IV’s, they unsurprisingly lost the battle with a large number of them either being completely knocked out and left to the elements in the Golan Heights or were captured by the IDF as trophies since the IDF already knew that the Pz-IV were obsolete even when compared to the M4 Shermans that Israel operated

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M4A1(FL-10) & M4A2(FL-10): Operated by Egypt

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This is identical to the M4A1(FL-10) premium in the French TT, while the M4A2(FL-10) is a M4A2 hull with the FL-10 turret, Egypt brought around 30 M4A1 FL-10, the M4A1 FL-10 never saw due to obsolesce while the M4A2 & M4A4(FL-10) saw combat during the Suez crisis, Operation Kadesh and the Six Day War

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PT-76 & PT-76B: Operated by Both

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Both are identical to the ones found in the Chinese TT for the Former (though the Chinese PT-76 is not correctly modelled) and the Russian and Swedish TT’s for the Latter (the UAR PT-76B’s alongside the Russian and Finnish PT-76B’s will get a roof mounted DSHK HMG), they were in service during the Six Day and Yom-Kippur Wars, a lot of them got captured by the IDF

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Stug-III: Operated by Syria

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The Panzer IV is not the only fighting vehicle of Nazi German origin, Syria brought at least 30 of them from refurbished stocks from the USSR, Czechslovakia, France and Spain (All of them are G models). Like with the Panzer IV’s they were modified for a HMG mounting, either a 12.7 Breda-SAFAT or 12.7 DSHK. They saw service during the Six-Day and like with the Pz-IV’s they saw heavy losses with a lot of them being left to rot in the Golan Heights and when the IDF got their hands on non-destroyed models they were only used as trophies as they were seen as obsolete.

The Stug III will be the starting TD in the Ground Tree

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There is a suggestion to add the Syrian Modified Stug-III, here is the link to that

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Jadgpanzer-IV: Operated by Syria

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Syria acquired a handful of Jagdpanzer-IV’s around the same time that they received their Panzer-IV’s and Stugs. It is not clear if it could mount a HMG on the roof or never was mounted with one in the first place. They saw service in the Six-Day with predictable results

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Hummel: Operated by Syria

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Syria brought at least 5 Hummels from France around the 1950’s, due to ammo shortages it likely never saw major combat service. It is not equipped with a secondary MG (HMG or LMG) but it should be possible to mount one

The Hummel will be the first SPG to be researchable in the Ground TT

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T-34/122 & T-34/100: Operated by Egypt

ISU-152: Operated by Egypt

BTR-152 (M58): Operated by Egypt

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Egypt is one of the first nations outside of Eastern Europe to receive the BTR-152, with their first batch of 200 in 1954, Egypt received another 600 second hand BTR-152’s during the 1960, essentially making Egypt one of the largest operators of the type outside of Eastern Europe. Egypt used their BTR-152’s in their intended roles including anti-air, an unique conversion happened with some of the Egyptian BTR’s were modified to carried a Czech-built quad 12.7mm mountings known as the “M58”, Egypt operated their BTR’s up until the 1980’s where they were phased out in favour of their domestically built Waild APC

This will be the starting vehicle in the SPAA line and it will be a semi-unique one since the BTR-152 APC and the DSHK HMG are in game however the BTR-152 with a DSHK has not appeared in game let alone in quad mounting

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BTR-152A: Operated by Both

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It is pretty much identical to the BTR-152 that can be found in the Soviet TT

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BTR-152 (ZU-23-2): Operated by Palestine (PLO)

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Egypt and Syria are not the only nations to operate the BTR-152, Israel operated a fleet of captured BTR-152’s, most importantly here is that the PLO also operated the BTR-152 as they were gifted from the USSR and Syria. The Palestinians modified some of their BTR-152’s to mount a ZU-23-2 autocannon for anti-air and infantry roles. They saw regular service in the Lebanese Civil war with a couple being captured by the IDF & Pro Israeli Christian Militias

The addition of this BTR variant is significant for 2 fold, firstly it is another unique BTR variant for the UAR TT as well as the first researchable Palestinian vehicle in the TT

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M4A4(FL-10)(Premium): Operated by Egypt

Pz.IV Hybrid (Premium/Pre-Order): Operated by Syria

ASU-57 (Premium): Operated by Egypt

T-34 (D-30) (Event): Operated by Syria

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The Syrians operated a large number of T-34-85’s and by the 1960 their age and obsolesce is really starting to show, the main way to solve this issue in the eyes of the Syrian Army is to do something similar that what the Egyptians are doing to their obsolete T-34’s, turn them into a TD/SPG. The main gun they choose is the D-30 122mm cannon primarily due to how abundant the gun is in Syrian stockpiles. The primary difference over the Egyptian attempt to place the 122mm on the T-34 is that the Syrians didn’t even bother to modify the turret and got rid of it entirely.

This will be an event partially because the Syrian T-34/122 is very similar to the VFW and Ram SPG event vehicles found in the German and British TT’s respectively. But also due to the Egyptian T-34/122 being present in the researchable TT and it is arguably better than the Syrian counterpart

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T-34-85 & T-34-85 (mod.60): Used by Syria

T-34-55: Used by Egypt

FC-101 Swingfire & CJ-8 Swingfire: Used by Egypt

BMP-1: Used by Both

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This is identical to the BMP-1/ZBD-86 found in the Soviet, German and Chinese TT’s respectively with one major difference, the Egyptian/Syrian BMP-1 will unable to use Konkur ATGM’s to symbolize that this is an earlier BMP-1 variant, the BMP-1 Mahmia, Shafrah and BMP-1S/SE will receive Konkur ATGM’s. Both Egyptian and Syrian BMP-1’s saw service in various wars including the Six-Day War, War of Attrition, Yom Kippur War, Syrian Intervention in the Lebanese Civil war, Syrian Civil War, etc.

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BMP-1A1GR: Operated by Egypt

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The BMP-1A1GR is the designation given to BMP-1A1 Ost’s operated by the Hellenic Army. The BMP-1’s that Greece operated were originally operated by the GDR and modified by the unified Germans, mostly to meet with NATO safety standards, which includes removing the ability of using ATGM’s, the Hellenic Army then modified their BMP-1’s to use a roof mounted M2 Browning HMG, all of Germany’s BMP-1’s were sold off mostly to Greece with smaller batches going to Finland and Sweden. Greece Eventually sold off their BMP-1’s in batches first to Iraq in 2003 (101), then Egypt in 2017 (101) and finally to Ukraine from 2022 onwards (the remaining operational BMP-1’s that the Hellenic Army still have in stock)

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BTR-82A: Operated by Syria

Su-100M: Used by Both

SP-122 RO: Used by Egypt

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Egypt is looking to replace their aging fleet of SPG’s as well as giving their large stockpiles of 122mm D-30 cannons a new lease of life so in 1991, Egypt start buying their first batch of brand new SPG’s in the form of the M109A2 Paladin. This solved the former issue for the time being but not the latter issue. So as early as 1994 Egypt proposed 4 separate designs, one is to put the D-30 cannon in the Paladin turret done by BMY (designated as the SP-122 BMY). The next proposal is to mount the Paladin turret with the D-30 cannon on a chassis of a T-55/RO-115 (T-55/122), next is to put the D-30 cannon on a BMP-1 chassis and finally is to develop a entirely new SPG which is what we are going to discuss here.

The SP-122 RO as previously stated is the proposal to make a entirely new SPG from scratch using the D-30 cannon. One peculiar feature that it is the smallest out of the four proposals, meaning that it will be the most compact out of the proposals but also carry the least amount of rounds and have the worst ergonomics out of all of them. Next interesting detail is that it is the only one out of the proposals to mount a roof-mounted MG. Next feature of note is that it is a Casemate SPG, this is not unique to the SP-122 RO however since the BMP-1SE (SPH) is also a casemate though unlike the BMP-1 SPG, the SP-122 RO has a roof. Finally RO stands for “Royal Ordinance” meaning that the SP-122 RO even though being the most unique out of all of them it was likely built with the expertise of a British firm

One functioning example was built but the SP-122 RO alongside the BMP-1SE SPH and T55/122 was ultimately rejected in favour of the SP-122 BMY

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BMP-1SE (SPH): Used by Egypt

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This is another proposal to produce a SPG with a 122mm D-30 cannon and this is 3 out of the 4 proposals to place the 122mm on a existing chassis, this one in particular is on a BMP-1SE chassis (a domestically upgraded BMP-1). One prototype was built most likely in the Early-Mid 1990’s but it was ultimately rejected in favour of the SP-122 BMY. The prototype was not seen until 2017

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BDRM-2 (ZU-23-2) Mahmia: Used by Syria

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During the Syrian Civil war, large amounts of BDRM-2’s were modified to have the Mahmia armour package, a detailed explanation of the Armour package will be present in the T-55A Mahmia tab. Some BDRM-2’s were modified with a remote controlled ZU-23-2 autocannon ontop of it for anti-air and anti-infantry purposes.

This would be a great addition to the UAR TT since it adds a unique variant of the BDRM-2 as well as adding a potent and nimble SPAA

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PTS-M BS-3 100 (Squadron): Used by Egypt

BMP-1 (ZU-23-2)(Premium): Used by Syria

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This is a BMP-1 with it’s turret removed and replaced with a ZU-23-2 autocannon, it was fielded by all factions of the Syrian civil war including government forces

This is added as a premium because even though it is a BMP-1 with a twin 23mm autocannon it is not unique to Syria since similar mods can be seen with Afghani, Armenian and Greek BMP-1’s though the Syrian Arab Army did up–armoured them which will be represented as a different vehicle as well as other unique SPAA variants of the BMP-1

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SP-122 BMY (Premium): Used by Egypt

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This is another proposal to produce a SPG with a 122mm D-30 cannon and this is 3 out of the 4 proposals to place the 122mm on a existing chassis, this one in particular is built on a M109 Paladin chassis in a casemate turret with the expertise of an American firm. The main difference being the 155mm Howitzer being replaced with the 122mm and the turret is fixed inplace instead of being able to rotate, otherwise it is essentially identical to the Paladin though the prototype does have a gunshield that is not present in the production model. This is ultimately the proposal that has being accepted into production with 124 models being built

This has being chosen as the premium due to even though being a production vehicle, it is still very similar to the M109 Paladin outside the gun and it is a casemate like the other proposals

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IS-3M (Premium): Used by Egypt

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T-54A: Used by Both

T-55A: Used by Both

T-62A: Used by Both

BMP-1 Mahmia: Used by Syria

BMP-1 Shafrah: Used by Syria

CJ-8 (HJ-73): Used by Egypt

Fahd-240-30 & 280-30: Joint Germano-Egyptian Venture and Used by Egypt

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The Fahd is a domestically built Wheeled APC & IFV with technical support from Thyssen Henschel and the Fahd itself should have a dedicated topic on it’s own. The Fahd was intend to replace the Waild, Egypt’s first domestically built APC. There were intended to be 2 main variants of the Fahd, the 240 and the 280, to make a quick summary the 240 is the APC variant while the 280 is the IFV variant. Due to the Fahd being developed by Thyssen Henschel it has some resemblances to German APC’s mainly the Fuchs.

Each of the 2 main variants have sub-variants within it’s own including IFV variants. For the Fahd-240, the sub-variants include a variant with a 50.cal turret and a 7.62mm lmg as a secondary (it is not clear if this specific variant can utilize an ATGM), a variant with a 20mm autocannon and MILAN ATGM’s and a variant with a variant with the turret from a BMP-2 but lacks the ATGM while the Fahd-280 is built from the ground up to be a IFV, like with the 240, it can mount the same 50.cal turret and 7.62mm lmg or it could be mounted with a BMP-2 turret, this time being able to use ATGM’s

Development of the Fahd started in the 1980’s and the first production vehicles were rolled out in 1985, like with it’s predecessor the Waild it was a success not only domestically but it was an export success, selling to mainly other Middle-eastern and African countries including Kuwait, Iraq (all Iraqi Fahd’s are captured from Kuwait), Oman, Sudan, the DRC & Burundi. Because of that it had a long service life being in various peacekeeping missions like the various peacekeeping missions in Former Yugoslavia as well as sawing service in the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. A total of 1,907 Fahd’s were built and is still in service with most nations that use the Fahd to this day

There will be 2 TT variants and a Premium variant, the 20mm+MILAN will be the ATGM variant while the two variants with the BMP-2 turrets will be the TT variants

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There is a suggestion to add the Fahd 280-30, here is the link to that

Fahd 280-30: Egyptian Wheeled IFV

T-55/122: Used by Egypt

M109A5: Used by Egypt

ZSU-57-2: Used by Both

ZU-23-4: Used by Both

M109A2 (Premium): Used by Egypt

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Egypt brought 420 M109A2’s and 201 M109A5’s some Paladins were built domestically for their domestic SPG, the SP-122 BMY. Even though the M109A2 is the more numerous out of the 2 variants that Egypt operated, it will be the premium over the A5 for the simple reason that it is the worse out of the 2 variants

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BMP-1(ZU-23-2) Shafrah (Premium): Used by Syria

T-62A (mod.73): Used by Syria

T-54E RO (Premium/Pre-Order): Used by Egypt

Fahd-240-20 (Premium): Used by Egypt

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T-55A Mahmia: Used by Syria

T-55AMV: Used by Syria

T-55E Mk.0: Used by Egypt

T-55E Mk.II: Used by Egypt

RO-120 Mk.III: Used by Egypt

Jung Jungenthal: Joint Germano-Egyptian project

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When the 1980 turned into the 1990’s Egypt desperately needed to replace or the very least upgrade their existing stock of T-55’s, their first attempts at this the T-55E/RO-(insert gun calibre here) upgrades, there were moderately successful but there is a massive issue with the T-55E’s, the upgrades were quite expensive to the point they frequently went overbudget. So Egypt set up a new upgrade program for their T-55’s that made them more comparable in capabilities as the most modern tanks of the time while keeping costs down, there were ultimately two proposals, first one is the Rameses II, an Egyptian upgrade program of the T-55 with financial and technical support from the US and the Jung Jungenthal a similar proposal but from a German defense firm.

One Major difference that the Jung Jungenthal has from the previous T-55 & T–55E’s and even the Rameses II is that it uses an applique composite armour on the front of the tank, giving it a resemblance to T-55’s used by East Germany. Another difference is that the Jung Jungenthal has it wheels replaced with ones found on the Leopard family of tanks, other differences to note is the addition of a back turret bustle, a completely new transmission and the inability to fire ATGM’s from the gun, the Rameses II also cannot fire an ATGM out of it’s main gun but that is for a completely different reason.

Ultimately the Jung Jungenthal is rejected in favour of the Rameses II with only one functioning prototype being built, the current status of which is unknown (most likely scrapped/cannibalized)

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Rameses II: Joint Egypto-American venture & Operated by Egypt

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When the 1980 turned into the 1990’s Egypt desperately needed to replace or the very least upgrade their existing stock of T-55’s, their first attempts at this the T-55E/RO-(insert gun calibre here) upgrades, there were moderately successful but there is a massive issue with the T-55E’s, the upgrades were quite expensive to the point they frequently went overbudget. So Egypt set up a new upgrade program for their T-55’s that made them more comparable in capabilities as the most modern tanks of the time while keeping costs down, there were ultimately two proposals, first one is the Rameses II, an Egyptian upgrade program of the T-54/55 with financial and technical support from the US more specifically Teledyne Continental Motors (TCM) and the Jung Jungenthal a similar proposal but from a German defense firm. In the previous post i mentioned that the Jung Jungenthal was rejected in favour of the Rameses II, this is indeed true but there is more going on in regards to the Rameses II. But first I will explain a brief history and specs of the Rameses II before telling the current status of the Rameses II

In the Mid-Late 1980’s after Egypt canned their original projects to upgrade the T-54/55 tanks they went to US based Defense firm Teledyne Continental Motors to develop an upgrade package for their T-54/55’s. Egypt sent a couple of their T-54/55’s to Teledyne Continental Motors so they can do the upgrades in one of their plants, more specifically the Rameses II prototype in their Muskegon plant. The first sets of trials were done also in the compounds of the Muskegon plant before sending it to Egypt to do their next set of trials. The upgrades consists of the following

  • The addition of a FCS system from Belgian firm SABCA and a improved stabiliser from Textron
  • The original engine being replaced with a Continental AVDS-1790-5A turbocharged engine (the same one found on the M60A3), this is also why the Rameses II is longer than a regular T-54/55 because if they did not extend it the engine would not fit properly
  • The original 100mm DT-10T cannon being replaced with an 105 M68 cannon (this is means it’s uses the same ammo types found on the M60A3 and is unable to fire an ATGM out of the cannon)
  • The addition of a General Motors built hydro-pneumatic system as well as using road wheels from a M48 and US style Tracks
  • Laser range finder and ballistics computer

Ultimately the Rameses II project won out over the Jung Jungenthal and a contract was placed on TCM to convert a total of 450 T-54/55 into Rameses II starting around 2004. Most sources claim that 260 T-54/55’s were converted to Rameses II’s however this claim lacks a reference to it so this claim is most likely false unless proven otherwise. What i think most likely happened is that the Egyptian Army did put out a contract to convert their T-54/55 into Rameses II locally with the technical supervision from TCM however they only managed to convert a few before completely terminating the project in 2005 and immediately put into storage (exact numbers are unknown). The Rameses II contract was cancelled in favour to buy surplus M60’s as well to build the more modern M1 Abrams locally under license. The procurement of M60’s and even the production of M1’s was happening around the same time as the Rameses II project is under development

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There is a suggestion to add the Rameses II, here is the link to that

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BMP-1S/SE: Used by Egypt

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CJ-8(MILAN): Used by Egypt

OT-62 TOPAS/BTR-50 PKM: Joint Egypto-Ukrainian venture & Operated by Egypt

EIFV Production: Joint Egypto-American venture

K9A1-EGY: Used by Egypt

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Egypt brought 200 K9A1’s from South Korea, with future K9A1’s EGY’s being built domestically. The first K9A1 EGY’s are built in the end of 2022 and will be put into service into at least 2024

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ZU-23-4 Shafrah: Used by Syria

Sinai SAM: Used by Egypt

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Essentially a Short Range SAM on a M113 Chassis. It’s armament is the Sakr-Eyes SAM found on the other Sinai & Nile SPAA’s, this time in a different turret, somewhat resembling a SANTAL or SIDAM turret, It very obviously lacks a autocannon

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Sinai 23 Production: Used by Egypt

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The Sinai 23 is a SPAA built on a Chassis of the M113A2 APC which Egypt field large quantities of. The weapon system itself consists of 2 ZU-23 cannons and 6 Sakr-Eyes SAM, an Egyptian built SA-7 Grail. The SAM and autocannons were built on a modified TA-23E turret from Hispano-Suiza. It also has an inbuilt radar system allowing it to detect and lock onto enemy aircraft. The Sinai-23 was accepted and put into service, acting as Egypt’s main SPAA

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Nile 23: Used by Egypt

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This was one of the two proposals for a SPAA on a chassis of the M113A2, this time from a US based firm, using the same Sakr-7 Missiles and ZU-23-2 Autocannon as the Sinai 23 with the main difference being the turret and gun/missile placement. This was ultimately rejected in favour of the Sinai 23

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RO-115 Mk.II Sakr (Squadron): Used by Egypt

R0-115 Mk.II Ahrams (Event): Used by Egypt

T-72AV (TURMS-T)(Premium): Used by Syria

Rameses II Prototype (Premium/Pre-Order): Joint Egypto-American venture & Operated by Egypt

EIFV Prototype (Premium): Joint Egypto-American venture

M60A1 (Premium): Used by Egypt

Sinai-23 Prototype (Premium): Used by Egypt

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Essentially the Prototype of the Sinai-23, the main differences being a lack of Radar dish and different Sakr-Eyes Missile placement

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T-72A: Used by Syria

T-72A Mahmia: Used by Syria

T-72AV Shafrah: Used by Syria

M60A3: Used by Egypt

T-72B: Used by Syria

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Yamaha Grizzly (9M133): Used by Syria

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This is essentially a Yamaha ATV, equipped with 9M133 Kornet ATGM’s (6 total though there is a possibility to have 8 in total), first deployed by the Syrian Arab Army during the Syrian Civil war.

Even though this is a Technical this was allowed into the proposal for 3 reasons, firstly it was used by the Syrian Arab Army, secondly it is a 2000’s ATV with a ATGM from the 1990’s-2000’s depending on the variant and it’s operational during the 2010’s and thirdly it is a good way to end the Wheeled LT & ATGM carrier line with the penultimate Rat/Gremlin vehicle

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2K22 Tunguska: Used by Syria

T-72AV (Full Cope Cage)(Event): Used by Syria

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During the Syrian Civil war, the Syrian Arab Army was experimenting on various in-house armour packs to increase survivability, particularly in urban combat where IED’s, concealed recoilless rifles and RPG are a common sight, one of them is to cover them in a cage like structure. The Idea with this particular armour pack is that the bar prematurely detonate ideally RPG and recoilless rifle rounds but can stop Early generation ATGMS in a pinch. The flails are there to detonate any IED’s as well as to prematurely detonate RPG rounds. Ultimately this armour package was deemed as a failure and is was not adopted. This didn’t help that Syria developed more effective armour packs in the form of the Mahmia and Shafrah family of bar & ERA armour packs.

I given this specific armour package the name of the “Full Cope Cage” due to it’s resemblance to a similar a bar armour package found on Russian operated MBT’s including the T-72 which got the nickname of the “Cope Cage” except the Syrian example covers the entirety of the turret as well as most of the tank itself

This would make a excellent event vehicle due to having a quite unique armour package even in comparison to the other armour packages found on Syrian T-72’s

Image

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Tier VIII

M1A1 Abrams: Used by Egypt

T-90AM: Used by Syria

T-90MS: Used by Both

BMPT-72 Terminator: Used by Syria

Pantsir-S1: Used by Syria

Coastal Fleet

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TBA

Blue Water Fleet

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TBA

Possible additions

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Egypt

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Air

  • Rafale DM & EM: It is confirmed that Egypt is receiving Rafale’s, i am intentionally holding off the addition of the Rafales in the suggestion until comparable aircraft are added
  • F-16C
  • Spitfire Mk.Vb trop
  • F-7B & F-7M
  • M-346
  • F-6A
  • F-20 Tigershark: Egypt evaluated the F-20 and placed an order for 85 Tigersharks, was cancelled in favour of the F-16
  • HAL-Tejas: Egypt is expressing interest in the HAL-Tejas to replace their aging K-8E’s, talks in regards of this is still ongoing

Air (Counter Insurgency)

  • EMB-312 Tucano: Egypt acquired a license to built the Tucanos domestically from Embraer, in the Helwan aircraft factory. Egypt build a total of 110 Tucanoes, 80 of which went to Iraq, Egypt operated 30 of the domestically built Tucanoes as well as another 24 from Brazil and France

Helicopters

  • Westland Commando Mk.2

Ground

  • ISU-152
  • YPR-765
  • Pegaso BMR-600: This hinges on if Egyptian BMR-600 can mount ATGM’s/SAMs or an autocannon
  • Potential ATGM carrier variant of the Fahd
  • CJ-8 (TOW)
  • Potential Recoilless rifle carrier variant of the OT-62 or BTR-50
  • BMP-1S/SE
  • Tor-1M2
  • Crusader Mk.II & III
  • Matilda Mk.II: There are some claims that the Egyptian Army used Matilda and Crusader tanks however finding actual sources (especially reliable sources) are hard to come by. I am not going to write them off entirely but i’ll only going to add them when there is more sufficient sources to back up these claims
  • Archer
  • Avenger ADS
  • BDRM-2 (TOW)
  • M60A1 RISE
  • M60A3E: There is some Images of Egyptian M60A3’s with significant upgrades, especially in terms of armour, however images are quite rare and there is not a lot of info on them
  • SIFV: It is another proposed IFV variant of the M113 similar to the EIFV instead using the turret of the YPR-765 instead of the Bradley, it is hold off due to lack of data
  • Fahd 280-30 (Shtrum-S)
  • T-55 155: Egypt was interested in the T-55 with the 155 cannon developed by Finland and even did some test trials. It was rejected due to concerns in regards to accuracy
  • Timash & ST-500 MRAPs: These hinges on if they can mount ATGM’s/SAMs or an autocannon

Syria

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Air

  • Yak-130: Syria placed an order of 36 Yak-130’s however none have arrived as of 2023

Ground

  • ACV-15 (First captured by ISIL then captured by the Syrian Army)
  • 2S3M
  • 2S1M
  • SA-9
  • SA-13
  • Various mods of the BMP-1
  • Ural 4320 (ZU-23-2)
  • OT-64/SKOT 2A: Both Egypt and Syria operated OT-64’s & SKOT 2 APC’s, this hinges on if both Egyptian and/or Syrian OT-64/SKOT-2’s can equip ATGM’s and/or Recoilless rifle

Sudan

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Air

  • Jet-Provost T.55: This is the Export variants of the Jet-Provost T.5, they are unique that they were built for counter-insurgency and light-attack roles from the get-go (essentially a Proto-Strikemaster)
  • FTC-2000
  • A-5IIA
  • Su-25 & Su-25UB

Helicopters

Ground

  • Alvis Saladin
  • Khatim-1: Sudanese designation for the Borgah, an Iranian built IFV based on the BMP-1, equipped with a 50.cal and Toopah ATGM’s, some were built under license
  • BTR-3
  • Shareef-3: Indigenous variant of the BTR-70 with the original turret replaced with one from a BMP-1, the engine is also different as well
  • Safir-74: Iranian rebuilds of T-54’s, T-55’s, T-62’s and their Chinese counterparts, Sudan operated a dozen of them
  • Al-Bashir: Sudanese designation of the Type-85II-M
  • BMP-1S Cobra: Belarusian upgrade of the BMP-1, replaces the original turret with a turret overhead 30mm autocannon among other changes
  • Type-62
  • Type-63
  • BTR152A (M61A1)
  • Panhard M3 VDA: Sudan operated Panhard M3 VDA’s, Source: Exotic Armour: An Inside Look At Sudan’s Armour Repair Facility - Oryx

North Yemen

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Air

Ground

  • BTR-60PB (AML-90): Yemen operates a handful of BTR-60PB’s armed with a AML-90 turret from Djibouti, It is not clear however when Yemen received them when Yemen was united or when Yemen is divided, if it’s the latter than it is most likely North Yemen who received them due to South Yemen being a Marxist-Leninist state
  • M60A1 RISE: North Yemen received approx. 64 M60A1 RISE’s from Saudi-Arabia during the 1970’s

Palestine & Lebanon (Pro-Syrian elements)

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Air

Ground

  • UR-416: This hinges on if Palestinian UR-416’s were armed with an ATGM/AAM or autocannon
  • Tiran-5: One Tiran-5 is confirmed to be captured by the pro-Syrian back rebel group Hezbollah during the early 80’s
  • M-50 Isherman: Two M-50 Ishermans were captured by the PLO in 1976, they saw action in the Defense of West Beirut

Camouflages

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Air

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C.205V

  • Black/Dark Green Camo (starter)
  • Silver Aluminium camo (researchable)
  • REAF 2nd Squadron camo (researchable)

Spitfire F Mk.22

  • Unpainted Egyptian Airforce camo (starter)
  • Tricoloured Syrian Airforce camo (researchable)

Sea Fury NX798

  • Silver-Aluminium camo (starter)
  • NX798 “G - ARKY” camo (pre-order)

B-228

  • Unpainted camo (starter)
  • Bicoloured Desert camo (researchable)
  • Nigerian Airforce Bicoloured Jungle camo (researchable)
  • Tricoloured Desert camo (GE)

HA-300 Pre prod:

  • Unpainted camo (starter)
  • Bicoloured Desert camo (researchable)
  • Bicoloured Grey camo (researchable)

HA-300 E-300:

  • Unpainted camo (starter)
  • Bicoloured Grey camo (researchable)

MiG-19SF

  • Bicolour Grey camo (starter)
  • Bicolour Desert camo (researchable)
  • Bicolour Grey camo with Orange tips (researchable)

HA-300 Prototype:

  • Unpainted (Egyptian Airforce) camo (starter)
  • Bicoloured (Egyptian Airforce) Desert camo (researchable)
  • Unpainted (Indian Airforce) camo (researchable)
  • Bicoloured (Indian Airforce) camo (researchable)
  • Unpainted (Spanish Airforce) camo (researchable)
  • Bicoloured (Spanish Airforce) camo (researchable)
  • HA.P-23 glider prototype camo (Pre-order Pack)

Mirage 5F

  • Two tone Desert Camo (starter)
  • Two tone Jungle (Zairean Airforce) Camo (researchable)

Alpha Jet MS2

  • Bicolour Camo (EAF)(Starter)
  • Bicolour Desert Camo (Cameroonian Air Force)(GE)

F-4EG

  • Grey Camo (starter)
  • Bicolour Camo (researchable)
  • Grey & Orange Camo (GE)

Helicopters

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SA-342K

  • Desert Unicolour Camo (starter)
  • Tricolour Cypriot National Guard Camo (researchable)
  • Grey Kuwaiti Air force Camo (GE)

Ground

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Universal

  • Unicolour Desert Camo (Starting Camo)
  • Unicolour Snow Camo (researchable)
  • Unicolour Olive Green Camo (researchable)

Egyptian Specific Camoes

  • Tricoloured coloured ,Olive, Tan and Brown Camo (researchable)
  • 3 toned coloured , Tan, Brown and Black Camo (GE)

Syrian Specific Camoes

  • Bicoloured, Tan and Dark Green Camo (researchable)
  • Tricoloured ,Olive, Tan and White/Cream Camo (researchable)
  • Tricoloured Blue, Black and White Camo (GE)

Palestinian Specific Camoes

Q&A

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Q: Why Egypt & Syria in particular and why the two together in the same TT

A: For the first part, out of all the Arab nations Egypt and Syria has the most potential for not only unique vehicles but also unique lineups as well as the most complete lineups. For the Second Part they have a close relationship even both countries being a part of the same country at one point though only briefly

How unique is the Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT

A: On the one hand Egypt and Syria use a lot of equipment from other nations, primarily from the Soviet Union on the other hand the Egyptians and Syria did do a lot of modifications to these foreign built vehicles. Some of these foreign vehicles were also made for either Egypt and/or Syria to meet their specific specifications. Finally Egypt and Syria made vehicles that are completely unique so it is not even entirely consists of foreign made vehicles and a lot of the foreign vehicles are quite modded.

Why is it formatted like the Israeli TT and not the other TT’s

A: Two fold, firstly both are post war nations so it should be represented as such by making it start at Tier III (Israel should also start at Tier III imo but that’s besides the point) and secondly Tier I & II would either be very sparse in vehicles and will be all copy n paste vehicles with no unique mods to them with very few exceptions

Q: Why the absence of Technicals

A: I intentionally omitted technicals from my proposed TT for 2 reasons. Firstly: most of them are operated by rebel groups who oppose the government regime of Syria and secondly a lot of these technicals are essentially a pickup trucks, suvs or utes from the 1980’s with a HMG, light autocannon or recoilless rifle and a lot of people absolutely do not want to see these kinds of vehicles facing against their Interwar, WWII or even very early cold-war era vehicles. The two main exceptions are the Yamaha Grizzly with the Kornet Missiles and the Ural Truck with the S-60 autocannon

Q: Why don’t add all the Arab nations together into one “Pan Arab TT”

A: In regards of other Arab Nations Relationships towards each other are fickle even at the best of times due to various lets say “political” factors so it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to add all the Arab nations together. Another thing to consider that if you add too many nations together it could potentially cause said TT to have a conflicting or no coherent identity, limiting it to a few nation fixes this issue. Finally adding too many nations cause a TT to bloat way too much, especially with redundant vehicles, like with the previous stated issue this can be fixed with only adding very few nations into the TT and omitting some vehicles if they have no tangible differences and not all TT’s need to be as big as the main 4 anyways. The fact that all of the Arab nations are represented in one tree instead of 2, 3 or even 4 Arab TT’s is one of my biggest critiques of the previous Arab TT proposals on the old forum

Q: Are there going to be any other Arab nations to be represented in the Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT

A: It is a possibility however they have to be nations that either Egypt and/or Syria have a direct political/geostrategic relationship with. There is a possibility to have Sudanese, Palestinian and/or North Yemeni vehicles in the UAR TT but not vehicles from let’s say Oman or Algeria. Sudan, Palestine and North Yemen (a couple are already in my proposal) have very close political relationships & co-operations with Egypt and/or Syria while Oman and Algeria though not hostile towards Egypt and Syria (for the most part), they do not have any strong political relationships & co-operations especially in the context of the military so it wouldn’t make sense to add them into the UAR TT and better off being added to a different Arab TT.

Q: Are there going to be more Arab or even other Middle-Eastern TT’s

A: Yes but no more than 3 or 4 since that will be starting to become excessive. For specifics, i an considering making an Iraqi TT since they have some interesting vehicles both domestically built and mods of existing vehicles. Jordan is another potential TT possibly making Jordan and Iraq into the same TT for a lot of the same reasons why Egypt and Syria are in the same TT. there is a chance that Jordan will be part of my proposed South African TT instead as a Subtree since the two nations did spend a lot of time co-operating with each other in terms of weapons development. The Gulf Arab nations will most likely be paired with each other for very obvious reasons though their early air TT will be very sparse. Finally Iran can definitely have a TT of their own since they did quite a few domestic developments though i will not make at least a ground TT proposal since somebody else has already done that on the old forum and it would be in bad faith to post it without their consent

Sources

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Sea-Fury FB-11 & NX798
https://www.baesystems.com/en/heritage/hawker-fury---sea-fury

HA-300
https://web.archive.org/web/20080705050530/http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html|
The Helwan HA-300; Egypt’s Messerschmitt - - Military Matters
https://www.destinationsjourney.com/historical-military-photographs/egyptian-jet-fighter-helwan-ha-300/
Hispano Aviación HA-23P: Autarchy wet dream. | Aviation Rapture
No Barrel Rolls: Hispano-Aviación/Helwan HA-300 - El último caza de Messerschmitt, Parte 1 (Note: this source is in Spanish)

HF-24 Marut Bx.1
Hindustan Fighter: HF-24 Marut [Part 1]

MiG-17F & Lim-6

Sakr Rockets
Egyptian unguided rockets of 1960s | Secret Projects Forum

Mansour’s MiG-21FL
The Unknown Story of the Syrian MiG-21 Pilot who Developed the Cobra Manoeuvre: i.e. Pugachev Wasn’t the First to Perform the Cobra - The Aviation Geek Club

Panzer IV G, H, J Stug III G, Jagdpanzer IV & Hummel

Panzers in the Golan Heights – wwiiafterwwii
StuG III and IV in Czechoslovak/Syrian Service | For the Record

BMP-1A1GR
https://www.defence-point.gr/news/apokleistiko-dp-to-quot-thayma-quot-tis-metaskeyis-ton-quot-achriston-quot-ellinikon-bmp-1-gia-tin-aigypto (Note: this Source is in Greek)

SP-122
The Egyptian SP122 Self Propelled Gun - TankNutDave.com
RO2001 Self-Propelled Gun - Tank Encyclopedia

BDRM-2 (ZU-23-2)
Hide and Peek, Syria’s BRDM-2s - Oryx

T-72 Mahmia and Shafrah
T-72 Mahmia - Tank Encyclopedia
T-72 Shafrah - Tank Encyclopedia
Modern Syrian Armor Archives - Tank Encyclopedia

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Looks great! I’ve got a suggestion for the Ramses II already posted as well as one for the Syrian StuG IIIG pending approval. I ALSO have a couple more vehicles for Egypt in my “to do list” which I’ll post in the future (if they aren’t done by someone else).If you need any more suggestions, research help, or whatever feel free to ask!

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I’ll take that into consideration, i’m currently holding off on making naval TT’s draft mainly because idk how Gaijin will structure a naval TT for a TT like Israel. I’m primarily looking for images for some of the aircraft (e.g Royal Egyptian Airforce C-205’s) as well as vehicles for the Heil and COIN TT

Also i’ll be linking the Rameses II & Stug-III suggestions to this thread as well when i write down the details for said vehicles here

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StuG IIIG suggestion has been approved if you wanna link it. Ramses II is also open.

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I just done writing down both and link the threads to both

I am going to primarily focus on the SP-122 RO, SP-122 BMY, the Egyptian Alpha Jets, Sinai and Nile SPAA’s, the Grizzly ATV with the Kornets, T-72 “Full Cope Cage” and HA-200 Al Qahira next

I also added a Possible Additions tab if you are interested in checking it out though it is just a brief (and incomplete) rundown

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While trying to find Images for Egyptian Airforce Lim-6 & Lim-6bis’s i stumble across some images of Egyptian MiG-17F’s with Oerlikon Rockets (though they could possibly be Lim-6’s)


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Here is a close up of Egyptian MiG-17 with Oerlikon rockets

Mig17Rockets

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Egyptian Army OT-62 TOPAS upgraded from a APC to a IFV by a Ukrainian defence firm, finding specific info will take some time but i’m going to guess it is very similar to the BTR-50PKM upgrade package. There is a chance that a regular OT-62/BTR-50 with a recoilless rifle could appear in the TT but I cannot make any promises in that regards and only made this suggestion due to a lack of vehicle armed with recoilless rifles

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Here is a nice looking 3 toned blue, black and white camo scheme that Syria uses on some of their Armoured Vehicles, used mostly by the Syrian Police

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Slight update: The unguided mounted on Egyptian MiG-17’s are actually the “Sakr” rockets, there is could be a chance that Egyptian MiG-17’s are mounted with the Oerlikon rockets though since the rocket mountings look identical and the Sakr family of unguided rockets are based on the Oerlikon rockets.

The Sakr rockets comes in 76mm, 81mm and 110mm forms with HE & HEAT subvariants

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Here is a prototype of a draft of the UAR Helicopter TT, unfortunately there is no domestic helicopters, no big surprise there since very few nations develop their own domestic helicopters, especially for attack applications.

The UAR Helicopter does feature a lot of foreign helicopters that we don’t have in game though and even one semi-unique Heli the SA-342K which is an export variant of the SA-342F designed for Semi-Arid and Arid climates hence why most operators are found in the Middle-East, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Mediterranean including Cyprus, Kuwait and Egypt (not Syria though). The SA-342K also uses slightly different armaments

Update: A new line is added for Wheeled LT’s and ATGM carriers

List of vehicles moved to the Wheeled LT & ATGM line

  • FC101 & CJ-8 Swingfire
  • BDRM-2 (9P122)
  • CJ-8 (HJ-73)
  • Fahd 240-30 & 280-30
  • BTR-82A (New vehicle)
  • CJ-8 (MILAN)
  • Yamaha Grizzly (9M133)

List of Vehicles Added

  • M4A4 105 Schneider (Tier III Squadron)
  • BMP-1A1GR (Tier IV, Foldered in with the BMP-1)
  • BTR-82A (Tier V)

Found a source to the Indian Connection/Proposal to the Helwan HA-300

https://web.archive.org/web/20080705050530/http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html

Also I found a source to the Egyptian Connection to the HF-24 Marut

https://web.archive.org/web/20130728144222/http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Marut1.html

I’d like to see a Arab League Tech Tree instead of just a “Egypto-Syrian” Tech Tree, but the idea is good but just lacks opportunity or variety.

Involving all Arab nations in a Tech Tree instead of just Egypt or Syria would be overall better and could even challenge nations in-game like the United Kingdom

I can see where you are coming from with the whole “Arab League” TT idea and the fact that the TT is a little two, even one dimensional at times in terms of the vehicle variety but I don’t support it for 2 main reasons

1: Saying putting all the Arab League nations into one TT is a bit like saying “lets put all the European nations into the same TT” or “lets put all the East Asian nations into the same TT” It will flat out not going to happen let alone going to work. Also it would make the TT lack an identity doing that as well. There is a way to have larger alliance TT’s but in order to make that even work is to change how TT’s work and structured as well as lineups on a fundamental level (essentially changing our current TT/lineup system to one that is a hybrid of how TT’s/lineups are structured currently and how a game like Wargaming Red-Dragon structures it’s TT’s & alliances) which i highly doubt Gaijin would do such radical changes.

2: There is some people (me included) who like to see more Minor TT’s (as long as they have enough unique vehicles and modifications of foreign vehicles to justify them) and Gaijin essentially added all the major TT’s and even the vast majority of Moderate sized TT’s are added and the remaining ones are active suggestions on the forums or on the old forums. Only leaving minor nations, post war nations, sub-trees and alliance TT’s to add to which Egypt & Syria fits the first two and last prerequisites simultaneously. Also Gaijin is far more likely to add a minor to moderate size TT than major TT.

Inspite of this I am going to add vehicles from other nations & factions to the Egypto-Syrian TT but only ones that Egypt and Syria has very direct involvement in, i.e Sudan, North Yemen, Palestine and Lebanon because the addition of these countries to the Egypto-Syrian (UAR) TT actually makes sense. The only other countries I could think of that could consider even adding is Libya, Iraq and Jordan but I have massive reservations adding them to the UAR TT for various reasons

Also

Update: List of New vehicles added

  • Kittyhawk Mk.IIA (P-40L)(Tier III)
  • Spitfire F Mk.IX (CW)(Tier III)
  • Hosni Mubarak’s Spitfire F Mk.22 (Tier IV GE Premium/Hero Vehicle)
  • F-5B Yemeni Arab Republic Air Force (Tier VI Squadron)
  • F-5E Yemeni Arab Republic Air Force (Moved from being a Tier VII premium to a Tier VII TT vehicle)
  • MiG-21bis Yemeni Arab Republic Air Force (Tier VII premium, replacing the F-5E)

Edit: F-5F Yemeni Arab Republic Air Force is replaced with MiG-21bis Yemeni Arab Republic Air Force due to no evidence of North Yemen operating F-5F’s and misidentified with F-5B

New tab for camouflages are added as well (only for Aircraft and Ground forces)

I mean if there were other Arab nations in the UAR (like how South Africa is in the UK TT), I wouldn’t see a issue with the idea but if it’s just mainly the UAR it wouldn’t being much to the table.

An example of this is a Iranian F-4E or Saudi M1 Abrams

So far though with your response I guess I can support the idea +1 for me.

i know this may be a hard thing to ask for but could you also include TT card images so we can better recognise vehicles. also bigger screenshots

I will at least try to add images to the TT cards when i get all the images that i need for them in the near future

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ur using WT tech tree maker right?

I was doing it manually using Paint.net the whole time, i didn’t knew that the WT TT maker existed

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ill share the link:
https://przemyslaw-zan.github.io/WT-Tech-Tree-Maker/
here

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