Effectiveness of L7 105mm APDS L28/L36

How good were these rounds in actuality, in game they perform well against most opponents in its battle rating, but the effectiveness of these early L7 rounds is debatable.

The shattering mechanic that Gaijin attempted to revive has some truth to it allegedly, and while the penetration statistics in game are probably accurate, in function these rounds may have had trouble penetrating sloped armor. Israel, India and Pakistan have probably used these rounds the most, with the Six Day War, and Yom Kippur War, Centurions armed with this gun performed well, and they would have been most commonly equipped with L36/L28 APDS. On many instances this gun were taking out even T-62s/T-55s but not necessarily from the front and not necessarily through the hull. I cant find many if any frontal penetrations with the images I have looked up (not even signs of hits, suggesting they were told to aim for the weaker turret) and in fact seen an image of an IS-3 take many hits from alleged L7 APDS which it doesnt have much trouble penetrating in the game.


I did find an image of a T-55 frontally penetrated by what looks like 105mm APDS. 105mm did not have APFSDS rolled out until 1976, and that is definitely not HEAT so if you connect the dots 105mm APDS is most likely.


In game L28 APDS has:

up to 350mm at flat
up to 135mm at 60o slope

There are variations in testing reports where the flat penetration is much lower and the sloped penetration is slightly lower. Given the IS-3 was indeed shot by this round then unless it was performed at an extreme range then for whatever reason these penetration figures were not accurate that day.

Something to note was that this ammunition was designed to defeat T-54s and of course, roughly 120mm at 60o is enough to do that out to reasonable range, which is the most commonly stated figure in testing reports at round 1000m.

I mean look, everyone and their mum used this gun and still use this gun religiously, presumably its first ammunition type was good enough to attract so much attention.

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I found another image of a T-62 penetrated by probably 105mm APDS, it looks like a large hole, but based on the images above, 105mm APDS could present quite a large hole, but clearly smaller than a 105mm diameter.

I cant think of what else this could be to be honest, definitely not an AP round and it doesnt have the splash profile and very small hole that a HEAT round has. Israel did have the more sloped optimized M728/L52 round in the Yom Kippur war but apparently in much lower supply.

The 105mm APDS is the only somewhat usable APDS of the british tanks until you get to the Chieftains.

Please stop this, because Gaijin might see this post, and nerf the only usabe british gun in the high-mid tiers!


I have seen the stats that the game currently has in some official testing documents, I am only saying that they are probably the most generous figures possible for the ammunition, in addition there was some talk about the quality of manufacture varying quite substantially, which could explain for the range in performance testing.

Based on the two images of T tank hull penetration which are most likely the APDS, its fair to assume that the penetration is correct, its just more puzzling with the IS-3 considering the only marginal improvement in protection.

Yeah Agreed, Britain is already handicapped at the moment, APDS is borderline un-usable at the moment due to recent nerfs. Dont give them any ammunition they can use to, as someone else put quite eliquantly on the forum, “Kick britain between the legs” anymore.

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I mean for all we know the tank was 4000m away, there’s not much information here.


Based on the IS3 image honestly its possible that the APDS was shot from quite a low angle, increasing the armor effectiveness

The current round is ridiculously underperforming. I’ve had it bounce off of BMP and Marders, or when it does pen it’s post-pen damage is woeful.