That is what we are afraid off. Will be very difficult, sometimes impossible to explain and prove to users that ECM X is efficient against radar or seeker Y and not efficient against radar or seeker Z. Even if we have reasonable assumptions for this.
SPS-141 uses square swept wave and inverse con scan techniques, AIM-7 from C to F versions use conical scanning for direction finding. HOJ may not help at all. But who cares: HOJ defeats ECM, SPS-141 is trash e.t.c.
Cough;
Too bad F-104S.ASA is most affected by the missing ECM in the game.
IIRC, Their RWR was part of ECM or something else.
RWR, ARM and ECM are designed to “work” with specific and known threats.
It should be defined somehow against which of them it works and how well.
Highly likely it is impossible to obtain solid reference - a lot of space for game designers to play with this game mechanics and a lot of space for others to complain that it doesn’t work as it should.
I have no doubt the mechanics will need to be simplified for game purposes. Honestly its totally expected and anyone who wasn’t expecting it to be that way is kidding themselves.
I think it gives the game designers lots of room to create fun an interesting mechanics. Which will massively broaden the SPAA gameplay from the current “spawn, don’t move and shoot things”. Also for ARB we can have loads of super fun gameplay with huge maps and more variations in the GBAD assets to strike.
You too can make suggestions about additions to the game in air/ground/naval sections. Just because someone makes a suggestion about a certain part of the game doesn’t mean it will be added immediately or make other game modes irrelevant for a patch. In the incoming patch there will be ray tracing and some other stuff which will benefit the ground mostly, there’s also a reworked map specifically for the tank battles. Not only that, every major patch brings new stuff to all branches be it a new game mechanic or a vehicle.
For the life of me I just cannot see your point.
maybe just maybe dont answer to stuff thats months old jesus, dont butt into stuff where u arent even aware of anything
reasons u dont answer to month old conversation were u arent aware of anything
he literaly asked /demanded it for the coming patch
Hello, it seems like developers removed the C/D band receiving capabilities from the APR-39. And i get it, APR-39 and ALR-56 use the omnidirectional antennas for the C/D bands. But they still should display low band threats from all directions in front at 12 o’clock. Will you add this capability back?
really need jammers atp
i would love to see the ECM pods used on the wingtips of flankers to be implemented, Su-34 is a prominent user of these pods
How would ECM manifest itself ingame? A certain miss chance? Reduced lock range for radar? How would it look like?
My guess. It will function a lot like IRCM does on the SU-39, but with a min range, like 10km. So if within that range it doesnt really do much.
But it will only function against certain radar frequencie. So not all radars will be affected by all ECM
They might take it once step further and have ECM Resistance on the radars, so different radars have different min ranges, but no idea
I could see it being modes you can switch between for pilots while being largely automated.
Simple Jamming modes:
Advanced jamming modes (late 4th gen and 5th gen):
How does an ecm pod do infrared suppression
Sounds more like a full defensive suite than just ECM
First 2 are usually done by RWR.
3rd and 5th is IRCM that is already in-game on the SU-39. Would be highly specific to the ECM pod and not general to all. I dont think any Western jet has that kind IRCM (at least none Ive heard of)
6th is Sensor fusion
last is a decoy
Only one is what Id actually call “ECM”
is good for British used ECMs and how they function
su34 doesnt have a built in rwr (irl)
Still not a standalone ECM pod though, its the entire defensive suite (Something akin to DASS on the Typhoon) mounted externally.
More common pods like Sky Shadow or AN/ALQ-101 would be purely radar jamming, which is what we’d see with the addition of ECM & EW to the game and what Thodin is probably thinking of
(not saying the Su-34 wouldnt get ECM, just that its situation is different to “normal” ECM set ups for a lot of aircraft and different again to those like the Typhoon and Gripen with intergrated ECM)
alright, here’s satellite m2 for flanker and mig-29 type aircraft
Purpose
The “Satellite-M2” radio-electronic protection system is designed to protect aircraft from being hit by high-precision, radio-guided weapons air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and surface-to-air missile systems (SAMs) operating in the 4.0–18.0 GHz frequency range, both from the front and rear hemispheres.
Advantages
Greatly reduces the probability of the carrier aircraft being struck by radio-guided enemy weapons.
Provides radar camouflage: the enemy’s radar cannot detect the fact that the aircraft is emitting interference.
Expands the combat capabilities of attacking aircraft by reducing their vulnerability.
Forms jamming effects at all stages of combat operation for radar systems with quick parameter retuning (including polarization and frequency).
Provides protection while maintaining compatibility with the aircraft’s onboard radio systems.
Fully autonomous operation that does not hinder completion of combat missions.
Uses modern digital electronics and lightweight components to expand capabilities and reduce power consumption.
Built on a modular block principle, allowing reconfiguration per customer and operational theater requirements.
Has low weight and compact dimensions.
Uses advanced methods of coherent cross-polarization jamming, breaking lock of missile guidance radars with circular/linear polarization.
Employs DRFM technology, forming deceptive and complex modulated signals to hinder monopulse tracking.
Capable of creating false radar targets and noise masks for air- and ground-based radars (e.g., AN/ALQ-187, AN/ALQ-218, “Khibiny”).
Operates automatically, can simultaneously counter multiple threats.
Provides protection against unauthorized access.
| Parameter | Value |
|---|---|
| Operating frequency range | 4.0–18.0 GHz |
| Output power | 10–20 W |
| Protection sector (azimuth plane) | ± 180° |
| Protection sector (elevation plane) | ± 45° |
| Ready-to-operate time | ≤ 2 s |
| Continuous operation time | ≥ 60 min |
| Total power consumption | ≤ 1.5 kW |
| Weight per container | ≤ 120 kg |
| Impact on enemy radar operation | Disruption ≥ 1.3 × RCS |
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