EBRC Jaguar

UNN_Daedalos · October 25, 2025, 11:15am

In game it pens 152 LOS at 60° though ? not 164

Regarding the 190, no we don’t have sources

Basically a test done in the US specified the length of the rod and round. Using Lenz-Odermat you arrive at ~160-170mm (i assume that’s what Gaijin used, since they like to use this formula for their rounds)

However during the test in the US (1990s) the total length of the round was 219mm with a weight of 440g
Since then the round has been increased form 219mm length to 255mm and the weight went up from 440g to 550g, which is where the ~190mm comes from.

Little chance the round gets buffed, but tbh 160 is already not too bad

Nowel · October 25, 2025, 11:21am

Yes, i miss read it with the 1000m values, still 152 is over the 140 mark

UNN_Daedalos · October 25, 2025, 11:22am

My screenshot shows a 150mm pen though ?

Nowel · October 25, 2025, 11:23am

And in game is 152, so it does match it

UNN_Daedalos · October 25, 2025, 11:24am

Doesn’t mean it can’t do better

But i agree that with the sources we have, there’s little chance it gets buffed

Nowel · October 25, 2025, 11:26am

Doesnt mean that it can do 190 mm either, and the +140mm is still the reference value for the longer 255mm case

UNN_Daedalos · October 25, 2025, 11:30am

All there is to it is :
Lenz-Odermat gives 160-170 for the 165mm long rod (219mm for total length of the round)

The round’s length was increased by 36mm since then

I let you do the maths. I’m fine with 160 though, it can shred through a lot already quite easily.

Hopefully they fix the 2 missing Akerons though, that one is annoying

vizender · October 25, 2025, 12:46pm

Im working on a report with Mulatu. Hopefully we can share more in the afternoon. Doing some pixel measurements among other things. The reports currently open and not accepted have too many assumptions that hopefully can be answered through mulatu’s report. Hopefully it will bring the 140mm at 1500m figure

PARDUS_IX · October 25, 2025, 2:59pm

This report indirectly supports the jaguar care to support it?
Other french vehicles missing the brune terre de france camo that the jaguar has gotten.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/i6s4rkGedCCe

Fireball_2020 · October 25, 2025, 4:02pm

We already have better than that performance in game. The round slightly overperforms at close ranges rn.

UNN_Daedalos · October 25, 2025, 4:05pm

“>140mm”

Not “140mm”

Fireball_2020 · October 25, 2025, 4:05pm

We have 152mm in game… so yes. >140mm

UNN_Daedalos · October 25, 2025, 4:13pm

Yes and an other source with 150mm LOS at 1500m

The round doesn’t seem to overperform

Fireball_2020 · October 25, 2025, 4:14pm

at close ranges, it overperforms by about 10mm… it certainly isnt underperforming

Minos_PrimeV2 · October 25, 2025, 4:20pm

it is in fact slightly underperforming but not by very much
idk why you say it’s over performing at close range but the only value we have to estimate that is 140 mm of equivalent protection pierced at 1500 m ( a 70 mm thick plate with a 60 ° angle ) wich seems almost correct in game

Fireball_2020 · October 25, 2025, 4:21pm

Not true, we have a CTAI graph for example.

Minos_PrimeV2 · October 25, 2025, 4:22pm

really ? do you mind sending it ?

Fireball_2020 · October 25, 2025, 4:23pm

Minos_PrimeV2 · October 25, 2025, 4:23pm

hmmm dont take it badly but that dont really look like an official graph to me …

Fireball_2020 · October 25, 2025, 4:24pm

why do you think that? it’s just getting on 20 years old…