Believable.
AMX-13-90 is even more superior now then.
The HEATFS one is like 7.7 and it absolutely sucks, one of the worst tanks I’ve played in the game
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It’s not even bad, it’s just confusing why it’s not the same BR as AML-90, it’s basically just a slight downgrade compared to that vehicle, why it’s 7.7 is confusing.
Since when is Gaijin not Russian?
Since before 2021.
Slower, larger and more sluggish using one of the worst HEAT shells for its BR
Since 2015
The EBR has the same reverse as forward speed. This makes it excellent for retreating and to get into firing positions. It has also very good top speed. The side armor of 5.3 tanks is pretty much the same as at 3.7 and APHE one shots a lot of the time.
Incredible how french players managed to put this thing 2.0 br higher than the puma which you wouldnt be stupid to say is a better light tank. Bit slower max speed and turret traverse but better hp/ton ration way better reload similar pen on aphe and access to apcr.
Its also 1.7 higher than AMX-13-M24 which is 3.7 that is even better than M24 and AMX-13(FL11) but its a premium so no higher brs for it. People have hard time to find a tank more overtired that EBR 1951 i dont think i found any person that enjoyed it after it was moved up very fast.
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Well, here’s one.
The EBR 1951 beats the Puma in pretty much any metric.
And yeah you can easily take M24s, FL 11 or any variant into 5.3 battles and still get good results.
It’s the nature of light tanks that don’t rely on armor to do well.
But it’s clear that the EBR is much more capable than the other light vehicles due to having a fast reverse speed, meaning better chance of survivale as well as better chances to get into firing positions.
4.3 and it was the most busted vehicle at the time
Like what metric? I just provided a list showing why those 2 light tanks are pretty comparable despite being 2.0 brs apart. I didnt mention is but puma also has 90kmh reserve speed so not sure why u mention that also puma can probably accelerate faster. You can like argue 2.3 second longer reload for better filler is worth at higher brs.
Anyways other light tanks dont suffer like EBR for having bad gun for br. Thats mostly a heavy tank trait like Jumbo 75 at 5.3 Curchill VII at 4.7. while at 5.7 u have M18 an excellent light tank with 76mm gun only 0.3 higher than the EBR 1951
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Obvious brs should be M24 3.7, AMX FL11 3.7, AMX 13 24 4.3-4.7 and EBR 19514.3-4.7 seems reasonable considering current brs and actual vehicles not sure why only 1951 gets insane br treatment out of those
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also good luck with it stock. what can u do then when u see an IS-1 which is at your own br? pen flat side at 50 meters away at perfect angle? pen his rear? You cant. :D
At longer range it also becomes immune to APHE.
Jumbo is fitted for facing a 5.3 heavy because of stab, armour and apcr. This light tank despite being able to flank somewhat well cant. You have better flankers around at 5.7 anyway like M18 that doesnt need perfectly flat side to deal with heavy tanks side armour.
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The M18 is much larger, has terrible gun stability and is open top, apart from having even less armor at the front.
I’ve never seen a M18 actually performing decently in a game for the last 5 years.
EBR vs Puma
- 26°/s traverse vs 14°/s
- 75mm APHE vs. 50mm APHE
- 75mm HE vs. 50mm HE
- 16mm side armor vs 8mm
- Turret from 60-100mm vs. 32mm
- Back as strong as front vs. 10-20mm armor
- Can’t get overpressured vs. can be overpressured by 75mm HE shells
- Engine near transmission vs engine the size of a house
- 5.8x zoom vs. 3.5x
The EBR is way more survivable (hulldown, strafing etc), deals more damage per shot and also gets it’s gun faster on target. Apart from the RoF, which is negated by the higher post-pen damage, the EBR is the superior vehicle.
And since we see hardly any improvements in side armor between 3.3 and 5.3, the gun is perfectly capable of knocking out tanks.
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“EBR good cause below 500 meters it can penetrate IS-1 side at perfect angle!!! Lets ignore any frontal or angle engagements just perfectly flank!!!”
That’s how you sound to me mate. Not sure why u just cant accept it being bad after gaijin pushing it up a whole 1 br.
Oh cmon
pretty sure i provided much more important characteristics for a light tank. “but better hp/ton ration way better reload similar pen on aphe and access to apcr.”
Zoom not needed since u need to be close to pen tanks u face! Beyond 500 meters u cant pen IS-1 with any round!
Armor is less relevant since you are a light tank and better armor 2.0 br higher doesn’t matter since you face more heavy mgs and cannons but yeah ebr is more survivable for a light tank.
75 HE is nice but Puma HE has more pen so it doesnt really much for overpressure in fact puma can probably do more with its 50mm HE.
I already mentioned the worse turret traverse.
You ignore the obvious pros Puma has i brought up that affect gameplay a lot more.
Even with metrics u presented the 2.0 gap is not justifiable. I said its not stupid to think Puma is better LT and i stand by that and your arguments bounce off that pretty much. I think by now u even you can see these are not that much apart.
Oh lets ignore Churchills, Tigers, IS-1, IS-2, KVs, Cents, Jumbos, M26, You are using fin 1.7 shell to fight a Late ww2 heavies. You saying that only way to play is to be point blank and perfect angle to pen some of these tanks ignoring actually battle gameplay that doesn’t always allow that. Flat pen at 0 meters can take you only so far.
You are making shit up at this point calling M18 bad even though it had its br raised as well…
Not sure there’s any more point discussing since u fail to see obvious flaw in EBR 1951 place in war thunder. I presented so many arguments why 5.3 is too high and you answer by nitpicking M18 weaknesses while ignoring its strengths and using “trust me bro M18 bad i dont see gud players arguments”. Really not sure what do you want to prove to me. If i say look at PT-76 at 5.3 with 200pen heat autoloader and stab you will again make some shit up about it being bad.
Really dont understand that out 100 light tanks in game u think ebr is the one not allowed to engage huge amount tanks it faces frontally cause it lacks the firepower. Only tanks that were doing that were removed from being french reserve tanks.
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before u bring up more, Puma has more depression, you ignore 50mm gun shield, more elevation, you ignore 50 cal proof front same as ebr, more smoke. Like I can do that too but it doesnt get us anywhere.
EBR 1951 is garbage because both Upgraded variants are exclusive.
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also I take back Puma HE being more useful they are both are pretty much same. 50mm HE is actually semi armor piercing so only would allow to overpressure more vehicles in very rare conditions.
They have the same side armor as 3.7-4.7 KV-1s. Sometimes even less.
Also whats with that whining about the IS-1. So you can’t pen an IS-1 most of the time. Big deal.
In every match I kill a Tiger or Panther with a side shot.
It’s a fast light tank that can one shot tanks when the round penetrates. It doesn’t need to pen everything in every situation because it has the mobility to get into positions as well as get out of them.
Why do I need to make things up? They have obvious strenghts and weaknesses. But you just take specific strenghts of other vehicles and use them as argument that this makes the EBR bad, which it isn’t.
There’s a huge difference between low tier tanks firing solid shot or APCR that are slow and can’t even take out vehicles in one shot when they pen because the post-pen is so bad or a vehicle that has superb mobility and will one shot any 5.0-6.0 medium from the side.
The difference is that I’m realistic.
You put the EBR on the same level as the Puma, which it isn’t since it’s a lot more capable.
The difference in mobility is minimal, the RoF doesn’t make up for the higher post-pen damage of 75mm APHE. What’s the point of RoF when after the first shot the target is alive and gets away?
Anyone who puts the 50mm on the same level as the 75mm is delusional.
The APCR becomes useful maybe once in 30-40 kills. The post-pen damage is so low that it’s hardly worth taking just for a few selective vehicles.
What matters are these three things that make the EBR more effective:
- Post-pen damage is higher
- The gun traverse is nearly twice as fast
- Survivability is much higher due to overall better armor and module layout