dont loose your time that was i tried to explain to them that it’s not really a SAP neither an AP but mostly an APCBC with a weird fuze and design made for lighter target and they refused it so …
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yeah this is my main problem i am not vastly knowledgeable about non british boats but i was realy hoping for a late retrofit of the QE class or and early to mid KGV
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Looks like this shell can be clarified either as SAP or AP, and both options would be “historical”.
But in France case for balance reasons they should go for AP. And that’s not even a question why. France needs to be more competitive at the top tier, simple as that.
Also those guns feels very inaccurate, like 380/410mm guns?
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Well, I accept Gaijin’s explanation, and as Dunkerque buffed to 6.7, I think it is okay for SAP.
Besides, accuracy… The real gun was terrible too due to quadruple mounting. And for test, horizontal dispersion is okay, while vertical disperson is meh.
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well lets hope they dont butcher the KGV’s with there quad turrets but we might be year or more away from them coming so i will have forgoten by then
Yeah. It seems intentionally hostile toward the paying customers who have been begging for a useable top tier. “Yeah, we’ll give out new rank 6s, but we didn’t say they’d be any good.” I could never imagine them forcing a nation to have no competitive top tier airplane for over a year and then give something barely worth playing (unless you play germany then you can imagine that ig lmao).
At least, despite the issues, Dunkerque seems like she’ll be better than Kongo if the SAP gets buffed. Hopefully Richelieu doesn’t also get saddled with that stupid SAP rendering her a waste.
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The thing that realy proves they have no concept on what makes a ship good is the scharnhorst as it is still one of the best ships in the game and it came back in december of 2021 which is going to be 3 years in 2 months
Scharnhorst at first appeared was not that OP. In the SAP/HE meta it’s a ship with needle and easy flooding, only little more powerful than 6.3 imperial ships. Problem is not adding Scharnhorst itself but Gaijin focusing on filling gap between Arizona/Marlborough/Bayern and Alaska/Hood/Scharnhorst.
would its reload and gun handling not have made it pretty decent as those are some of its standout features to me from my time playing slow fireing guns with poor gun hadling
Well if Gaijin would follow historical accuracy then HMS Hood guns would be some of the most accurate in the game, but we all know that’s not the case. Every shell goes to a different post code…
So I don’t think historical reasons should apply for Dunkerque. Either all guns should get historical treatment or non.
If I’m not wrong they balance battleship guns by calibre, the bigger calibre the more dispersion.
So Dunkerque should be pretty accurate compared to 14,15,16 inch guns.
Yeah vertical dispersion is pretty bad.
Funny things is that the datamine from few years ago(or more) showed that the Soviet 305mm guns had the lowest dispersion. I wonder if that’s the case still?
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i belive this is correct.
i would be tempted to try find this in the data mines but the amount of digging would take some time
I don’t really see the buff here …
It will still face Scharn and other 95% of the time.
It not a buff, it’s a spit on the face of French naval players that thought they would finally have a 7.0 top tier BB.
Fun fact, it is still the only naval TT without a 7.0.
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Also to the French guys here, do you know about “Cap-hornier” dude that made awnsome YT videos about Leyte Golf and also Mers El Kebir incident ? (He also wrote a book)
www.youtube.com/@Cap-hornier
He is not a proper historian but he knows a shit loads about the french naval equipment
I know he plays WoWs but I don’t know if he knows about WT naval.
He may know If there is some publicly unknow documents about shell penetretion of the Dunkerque 330mm.
He could be accessible, but I’m not sure if If it’s worth bothering him if there’s a 99% chance that the devs will not give a F for the umpteenth time.
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It was terrible only if all the gun was shoot at the same time
gszabi cannot post here, he’s getting the following error: "“An error occurred: In order to post more messages you need to be active game player. Your last activity is 30/10/2024 00:00:00” 🤨 If anyone of the moderators would be so kind to check why gszabi is getting the issue and fix it - it’d be amazing.
That said, @gszabi99 gave me this answer for you, regarding where in the in-game file the spread of the guns is given.
maxDeltaAngle, the lower the better
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Irl the guns were not accurate but so far Gaijin has implemented dispersion by calibre and not historical factors.
I wouldn’t put it past them for France to be the first nation with historical dispersion implemented as it would be a nerf across all their post-WW1 ships.
Got a response regarding the use of the upper ammo racks:
https://community.gaijin.net/p/warthunder/i/ZmpqOFdNp1cn?comment=vzWxXJeWBivVdiWxXUhwmmhi
Bug Reporting Manager #1 commented a day ago
Up to developers’ discretion. Not a bug.
Fair. But disappointing none the less, as there doesn’t seem to any other mean of communicating with the devs to reconsider before releasing the patch.
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Whilst the SAP is its own issue, i still do not see Dunkerque or Strasbourg being 7.0 in which case France does not actually have a 7.0 worthy ship. Richelieu is too good, Strasbourg is too bad.
The armour was always going to be an issue i had just hoped the calculator coupled with angling would mitigate that, it appears ingame that is not the case.
But these ships were not intended to resist battleship calibre guns.
Getting the ship to use the upper ammo racks first, so you could lower the amount of ammo like people commonly do it in the ground battles, would give a notable boost to the survivability of Dunkerque, making her much more competitive.
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