Drop the F-5C to 10.0 or back to 10.3 and fix the engines

The F-5C was used in the vietnam war usually facing Mig15, Mig17s, Mig 21 and thats really it. how this would be in warthunder is it should be moved to 9.7, this game already has jets like the AV8A that are at 9.7 with the aim9g. So if this were a case of balancing, why is the F5C at 10.7? facing tornados, Mig23ML, MLDS F4E and more. not historically accurate at all, The F5C should be facing things like the F4C, Mig21s, F-100D and even the F3H-2 . which “Although all F-5A production was intended for Military Assistance Program [MAP], the Air Force actually requested at least 200 F-5s for use in Vietnam. This sudden request on the part of the USAF – which had previously perceived no need for a lightweight fighter – was a result of heavier than expected attrition in Southeast Asia and because the F-5 promised to be available with a relatively short lead time. The single-seater was to have been designated F-5C, the two-seater F-5D. This request was initially turned down by the Defense Department, but a USAF request for combat evaluation in Southeast Asia was approved by the DoD in July of 1965, and the evaluation was initiated on July 26, 1965.” clearly proving me point as stated in (yes i used chat GPT for research) cleraly sating the F-5C was used in the vietnam war. Some more commonly known facts once again clearly proving my point that this jet was used in the vietnam war, The F-5C (modified F-5A for USAF use) entered a combat evaluation in Vietnam starting around October 1965.

The evaluation unit was the 4503rd Tactical Fighter Squadron (Provisional) (USAFA unit formed for the project) and the operation was called “Skoshi Tiger”.

The aircraft flew ground-attack / close air support / strike missions (not primarily air-to-air) during their deployment in South Vietnam.

The aircraft were modified (in-flight refuelling probe, armour, etc) for the environment.

The program was relatively short, and the surviving aircraft were transferred to the South Vietnamese Air Force (VNAF) thereafter. Anyway, even though there are no know public sources of the F-5C encountering enemy jets like migs, it was still used in the vietnam war and the most commonly used jet was the mig15 17 and mig 21 therefore you can infer that ingame this jet should sit at 10.0 or 10.3, please fix this gaijin this jet has become unplayable, it tops out at mach 1.03 on the deck and gets outran by literally everything at its BR. Also, heres a youtube video of the F-5C in combat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt-jiIYPsP8&t=1s anyways thanks gaijin please fix this, i will now also provide evidence the F-5C was used in the vietnam war and could have saw combat aggainst migs or in warthunder terms F-4C’s, F-100D, Mig21S and more.


Also whats up with the F-5C’s engines bro.

and now about these engines bro

Type Single-shaft, axial-flow, turbojet
Length 88.0 in (2.24 m)
Diameter 17.2 in (0.44 m)
Dry weight 550 lb (250 kg)

Performance

Parameter Value
Thrust (dry) 2,720 lbf (12.1 kN)
Thrust (afterburner) 4,080 lbf (18.1 kN)
Compressor stages 8-stage axial
Turbine Single-stage axial
Maximum RPM 15,000–16,000 rpm (turbine)

Fuel & Consumption

Parameter Value
Fuel type JP-4 / JP-5 / JP-8
Specific fuel consumption ~1.05 lb/lbf·h (dry), ~1.85 lb/lbf·h (afterburner)
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the link was F-5C/D Skoshi Tiger btw

BR isn’t tied to historical usage or era.

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Well, IF F-5C will loose ahistorical AIM-9E, ahistorical countermeasures pods, gets proper heat signature (G. 91Y with the exact same engines somehow hotter than F-5C) it might get a drop to 10.0 but not lower. Oh, and the damage model shrugging off Fox-2s like it’s a .50 cal bullet.

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Ah yes the best (maybe J-7D) 10.7 should go down.

J-7D is better, because that thing should be 11.0, while F-5C is a 10.7 aircraft.

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lmao

me when somebody makes a post on the forum after using chatgpt to scrap for sources that agree with them

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at least you put the chatgpt written stuff in quotation marks

also

it does fight those things?, theyre all about the same BR as it

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F-5C is definitely not near the best 10.7s anymore. Even the F-5As in Japan and China are better with extra flares and 9Js respectively. J-7D is by far the best plane at 10.7 and NF-5A is better than F-5C in every way at the same BR. Also Alpha Jet TH has 4 all aspect missiles and BK27 with exceptional ballistics compared to M39.

It should definitely move down as AIM-9E with just 10G overload is basically unusable and the plane is too slow, especially when carrying enough for a base (necessary for grinding). I’d argue it wouldn’t even be that strong at 10.3 since F-5C is slower to get the bases than MiG-21SMT, has worse missiles and the engine just sucks compared to MiG-21.

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The f5 isn’t a base bomber, base bombing effectiveness isn’t a factor gaijin should consider given it’s a FIGHTER

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only the japanese one gets extra flares but it doesnt get aim9J

its also an alpha jet, not exactly an exceptional dogfighter compared to f5

insane how i said “yeah i used chat gpt” to find a source lmao someone didnt read the whole thing did they?

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So you want F-5C at 10.0 and F-5A at what 9.0? Lol. F-5C is still huge UFO and very capable plane.

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no i didnt, because you didnt write the whole thing

if i wanted to go read chatgpt and copy pasted stuff id go directly to chatgpt

wasent chat GPT it was literally the source 😭

i did write the whole thing lol, the only thing i copy and pasted was the text from the source which was LITERALLY in quataionts, you obv cant read

yeah bro any jet at 10.3 -10.0 can compete with the F-5C like the Mig21smt and Mig21s its not that diffucult the F-5C is literally unplayable at its current BR

cool buddy, nobody was ever claiming the f5c wasnt used in vietnam anyway

Do you know how to use F-5C? Because you can easily win a dogfight against any MiG-21 apart from maybe Bis.

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