Sure.
No. Put 2s38 up in BR
How does that make sense? The 2S38 is extremely undertiered so therefore the HSTVL has to go up with it?
With the HSTVL i can hit people several times in the side before killing them because the APFSDS spall is so inconsistent. With the 2S38 you get APHE so this is essentially a nonexistent problem. You also get a ton more ammunition with a better reloadrate…
Paired with the great thermals and crewless turret the 2S38 is extremely undertiered
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2S38 gets:
APHE
Better reloadrate
Bigger magazine
Crewless turret
Double the reverse speed compared to RDF/LT
Better sights (even CITV which RDF/LT doesnt get)
Does someone who thinks 2S38 should be up BR ever played it? Like I’ve read at some point in time: It’s Russia bias until you play Russia,
The 57 mm 2A90 auto cannon’s damage with 3UBM22 rounds is not as good as people may think, today I’ve tried the BR-281U, which, I didn’t tried much, but haven’t used more than 7 rounds to destroy a target in a hot moment I may say.
And now with the extra module, 2S38 turned into a walking ammunition box, only a single shot in the right side and it’s done.
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Those two should be separated by a whole BR, so if 2S38 is at 11.3, HSTV-L should be at 12.3.
But you get a problem of being the slowest thing around.
HSTV-L also has a crewless turret once commander dies.
It also gets less pen, spall, gun depression and mobility.
why does the HSTV-L deserve a 1.0 higher BR? Explain that? what does it do exceptionally better compared to the 2S38?
The HSTVL has a MASSIVE turret drive thats essentially guaranteed to be taken out if you shoot it in the turret. The 2S38 however is not as bad.
Both their APFSDS have bad spall. Because theyre low in caliber the 2S38 makes up for this due to its BETTER RELOAD and APHE. Most of the time i have to shoot 3 times in the HSTVL to kill anything which usually gets me killed due to the SLOWER RELOAD compared to the 2S38
It does everything better than isn’t thermals and ammo count.
I’ll give it APHE advantage as well.
Still a crewless turret.
2S38 has worse spall.
If you don’t have spare 3 seconds to disable an enemy, I’m afraid you’re playing it wrong.
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2S38 has better reload.
The 2S38 has a way smaller turret with way smaller components which makes it superior.
You have APHE and a reload thats more than good enough to compensate. Even if your round doesnt create much spall you can shoot 6 times in the time that an HSTVL can shoot 3 which lets you aim for critical components like ammo.
My K/D is very close to yours. I know how to play it and im not playing it wrong. A lot of the tanks in 11.7 and up have spall liners which essentially renders your first shot or two useless. The enemy doesnt need lots of time to retaliate against you in top tier so three seconds is quite a long time.
It doesn’t make it superior. You can kill a 2S38 with a dart while it’s hull down by hitting it’s ammo. I won’t even talk about gun depression as that makes the vehicle much worse in all hull down situations.
You know not all engagements will be from the side ?
This is especially true on such a slow platform as 2S38, this thing is one of the slowest vehicles while being a light tank.
Sorry but if you can’t disable a vehicle in 3 shots it’s completely on you.
You are proving that you are.
That being said, 2S38 is pretty slow and will get beaten to spots by almost anything, so I’m afraid that you aren’t flanking anyone in that, which will seriously hurt it’s efficiency. It also has shit gun depression which is a problem for vehicles that rely on staying hidden to survive, especially those that have crewless turret.
Imagine having a crewless turret that you can’t really use all that often. It remembers me of ICV (P), which is also a crewless vehicle that will get killed if you destroy it’s ammo in the turret lol. It kind of loses it’s purpose.
This discussion be like, the duality of a man:
2S38 or HSTV-L.
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just give hstvl and rdflt historically accurate round and done tbh
gajin just doesnt want it cuz “eeuughhhh broken no gud”
So, after playing with both at 11.3 , it’s safe to assume the hstvl is the better light tank.
While the 2s38 can function and sometimes kill tank’s, it’s a lot more difficult with the speed it top’s out at.
Though i should mention.
It does make for a good spaa, and as a support vehicle if you don’t mind staying behind your team mates.
Here’s my best game in the hstvl
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/291909088657753846
and here’s a good one to show the mobility problem of the 2s38.
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/291911717177742239
imo, 2s38 should be around 10.7 (Maybe 11.0) and hstvl should stay the same.
You guy’s probably got better replay’s of each vehicle so reply to this comment so we can check them out.
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You can one shot the 2S38 by shooting the turret with APFSDS. There’s a round next to the breech, if anything touches it, it will explode.
I know. Sometimes rounds go through there and deal 0 damage
No it isnt. Sometimes your round just passes right through crew without killing them. With spalliners in higher brs the 75mm apfsds has incredibly inconsistent damage.
Yes obviously? The RDF/LT is also slow btw yet its much higher br.
How exactly?
Yes it is, you don’t need to kill the crew in order to disable a vehicle.
It’s still faster than 2S38.
RDF-LT is inferior to 2S38 bro also you don’t even play with HSTV-L that much so how would you know if it’s superior? you don’t even have RDF/LT
Sometimes you dont have a choice
2S38 still also has faster reload with better optics and more ammo
Also what is your response to the 2S38 being same br as STRF9040C while being better