Douglas F5D-1 Skylancer - A Short-Lived Backup Fighter

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Douglas F5D-1 Skylancer

   Hello everybody. I’d like to suggest the Douglas F5D-1 Skylancer for US aviation in War Thunder. The F5D-1 was a development of the F4D-1 Skyray jet fighter for the US Navy with a supersonic capability. However, its development and prototype stage were short-lived due to the F-8 Crusader being selected for the Navy. Nevertheless, the F5D-1 was a greatly improved aircraft with excellent handling characteristics over its predecessor, the F4D-1 Skyray, alongside expanded weaponry and new radar.

Key Characteristics

  • Naval fighter and interceptor
  • Refined airframe based on the F4D-1 Skyray
  • Retained Pratt & Whitney J57-P-8 afterburning turbojet engine
  • New armament bay doors for guns and unguided rocket packages
  • Four sidewinders or two AIM-7B Sparrows with active radar seeker

Conclusion | Why it should be in the game

   While the F5D-1 Skylancer did not make it to the US Navy service, it could have a place in War Thunder as an improvement over the F4D-1 Skyray, which was added as an event aircraft. It could be placed as a tech aircraft available for research. I feel the F5D-1 Skylancer would be a far better alternative to the F4D-1 since the F5D-1 has better handling characteristics, slightly improved performance, and cannons in the fuselage that are easy to use and aim. It would have an opportunity to employ two AIM-7B Sparrows with fire-and-forget capabilities. However, these missiles would have limited performance compared to the conventional AIM-7 Sparrows with semi-active radar, so these missiles shouldn’t wreck the game that much. Ultimately, I’ll let the developers decide how they shall model and balance the F5D-1 in the game as long as it provides a valuable difference gameplay-wise from the F4D-1 Skyray.

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Thank you for taking the time to read my suggestion! 😃

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+1 as standard tech tree since they rather unfairly put the F4D-1 as event

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The ultimate Skyray! I was always curious about the Aim-7B, as I was unsure if it was tested on this prototype or a F4D testbed. It would be a funny yet impractical missile to say the least given its likely poor tracking (especially at low alt) and maneuverability (cough Aim-7C which only turns after the Burner runs out and pulls 15Gs).
The upgraded engine is something I’m extremely exited for though, as maybe it will help this vehicle hold some speed and turn at low speeds. However it’s unfortunate the issues such as the low ammo count and lack of countermeasures weren’t remedied.

Just because one aircraft was incorrectly made an event vehicles doesn’t mean this one should be. This variant is arguably more worthy of being an event aircraft than the F4D-1. If I’m not mistaken there may be another variant of the F4D that that could be added to the tech tree, I don’t know though. Not to well versed in the history of the F4D series and what other additions we could receive.

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A +1 from me as a TT aircraft since the F4D-1 was sadly made an event!

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IIRC, neither F4D-1 testbed nor F5D-1 was ever tested with the fully functional AIM-7B missile. I have no clue if they were functionally mounted on an aircraft and fired off during the testing. All sources I have read said nothing about the functional missiles with the said aircraft. However, the F4D-1 testbed with serial 134763 was said to have completed a series of flights with dummy Sparrow II missiles on August 23, 1956, demonstrating successful launches under simulated attack conditions. Previously, another F4D-1 testbed of 134754 completed its first flight on July 13, 1956, with the functional X24A system.

I have the photographs of dummy AIM-7B missiles being mounted on both F4D and F5D.

F4D-1 (134763) with dummy Sparrow II missiles

Three completed F5D-1s (139208, 139209, and 142349) take off in formation. 142349 is nearest the camera with the dummy Sparrow II missiles.

Here’s more information regarding Sparrow II (AIM-7B) for anyone who is curious. Note that this is a design study, not a test configuration, however.

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+1 as a tech tree plane.

+1 One of my favourite aircraft to exist. Would love to see it in game! Personally tho, I would not add the aim-7 due to them never being fired from the platform

are you sure? there looks like there’s pictures with aim7s in this thread in the comments

F-14A IRIAF never fired the R-27s but got em anyways. I don’t see why F5D shouldn’t get Sparrows.

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10.0Br is what i see, AIM-7B having the same dogwater performance of the AIM-7C but being ARH, it wouldnt make that much of a diference in gameplay compared to the F3H Demon.

That’s quite a bit high for what it offers… it’s good but not that good. (And no CMs at 10.0 is brutal)

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+1, this game really needs more unique cold war stuff, also late war US naval props.

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+1, it was ridiculous that they made the Skyray an event vehicle

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If the production variant was intended to get the more powerful P-14 engine, I dont see why it shouldnt get it especially with the yak-141 getting its intended production radar

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Any idea if it’s twin sidewinder mounts or if there’s another hardpoint somewhere?

If you’re referring to it carrying only two Sidewinders total, it should and can carry four, as confirmed by the official design plans. However, if you mean a dual-rail launcher, like two missiles per hardpoint, then no. I don’t see such a system ever being developed for the Skylancer.

The Skylancer was cleared to carry munitions on up to four wing hardpoints at maximum capacity. Official diagrams supporting this are attached below:

I recently discovered those drawings, and they also confirmed the F5D’s capability to carry four AIM-7A or AIM-7B missiles. They showed potential provisions for four 20mm gun installations near the engine nacelles. I shall update my specs reflecting those drawings.

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Alright thansk. I was mostly wondering if it’d be possible to carry 2x AIM-7 and 2x AIM-9, or if the total 4x AIM-9 were 2 each on the same hardpoints that the AIM-7s would use

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I want Fox-3s to counter Mig-21 spam so bad. Why wont daddy Gajin give it to us?

AIM-7A is also a quite interesting armament. Beam-riding is pretty useless against air targets but it’d be usable as an improvised SACLOS AGM (albeit with a warhead not designed to destroy ground targets)

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