Does the ADATS deserve to be 11.7?

[MotorolaCRO]

@Morvran

Yes, but so do many other 10.3 SAMs like the OSA. Its not enough alone to justify the ADATS being 1.3 BR higher than the Stormer and other 10.3s like Strela

Sorry but can’t comment on OSA since I’m not on the dev server.

@Morvran

Also, as both have short range, you are forced to get closer to where the enemy aircraft are likely going to be.

This is true, but sadly plenty of maps we have only offer like 500m of room before you end up at the front lines which is far from ideal for any SPAA.

@Morvran

My experience with the ADATS missiles for Anti-tank work is that they barely work, usually needing at least 2 per target, considering you only have 8 missiles (16 with the ammo crate) that is a lot of waste ammo.

From my experience it depends from vehicle to vehicle. I’ve OHK’d some MBTs but those were mostly 3-crew variants like T-tanks or Types. 4-crew variants will often require two missiles as you stated.

@Morvran

but even then starstreaks can kill any light tank and even a few MBTs with a well placed shot.

So far I’ve only managed to kill a Fuji with Starstreaks and that was a side shot. Other MBTs seem immune.

@Morvran

Id move it to 10.7 and put it back to being a ATGM slinger and move it to the Warrior line. Then add a new SPAA for top tier Britain.

In my opinion ADATS should be a bit higher than 2S6, at least the US version.

[Morvran]

@MotorolaCRO

Sorry but can’t comment on OSA since I’m not on the dev server.

From what I saw, its an ADATS with slightly better range but less missiles. At 10.3

@MotorolaCRO

So far I’ve only managed to kill a Fuji with Starstreaks and that was a side shot. Other MBTs seem immune.

My best was a Leopard 2A6, but generally its more down to luck than anything else

@MotorolaCRO

In my opinion ADATS should be a bit higher than 2S6, at least the US version.

Maybe, but barely, Id personally say the UK one needs to be 10.7 otherwise its pointless to move, US one, yes should be a little higher.

But ultimately 11.7 is an insane BR for an SPAA not that much better than those found at 10.3 about equal to those at 10.7

[DevilO6]

@Morvran

From what I saw, its an ADATS with slightly better range but less missiles. At 10.3

Not quite.
It has 300m more range, but the missiles are much slower. They keep manouverability for longer, it is worse tho, and they have a smoke trail for 8-9km of flight.

Search radar has a better range, but it has much lower RPM, and it scans in 3 zones, so only a small portion of elevation at a time. No thermals, but track radar is good for some reason.
Sad radar scan pattern

[Morvran]

Fair enough, didnt look that closely at it

[MotorolaCRO]

@Morvran

From what I saw, its an ADATS with slightly better range but less missiles. At 10.3

That seems weird, is it an IR slinger by any chance ?

@Morvran

My best was a Leopard 2A6, but generally its more down to luck than anything else

I’ve shot a fair share of T-tanks and Leopards in the side of the hull but could only get the track. That must’ve been a really crazy angle. But regardless, I’d feel much safer with ADATS than Stormer, at least when it comes to ground threats.

@Morvran

Maybe, but barely, Id personally say the UK one needs to be 10.7 otherwise its pointless to move, US one, yes should be a little higher.

If you move ADATS down, what about OTOMATIC and Type 81C then ? That’s another problem.

@Morvran

But ultimately 11.7 is an insane BR for an SPAA not that much better than those found at 10.3 about equal to those at 10.7

From what I’ve seen Gaijin is pushing some vehicles from some nations higher than they should be in order for everyone to have their “top tier”. In my opinion only countries that should have 12.0 vehicles are US/GER/RU/SWE, with Italy’s 2A7 also being up there.

[Morvran]

@MotorolaCRO

If you move ADATS down, what about OTOMATIC and Type 81C then ? That’s another problem.

They are equally over BRed and have no place at top tier. Type 81 could with ARH missiles though

@MotorolaCRO

From what I’ve seen Gaijin is pushing some vehicles from some nations higher than they should be in order for everyone to have their “top tier”. In my opinion only countries that should have 12.0 vehicles are US/GER/RU/SWE, with Italy’s 2A7 also being up there.

Yep, the compression is insane

[DevilO6]

@MotorolaCRO

That seems weird, is it an IR slinger by any chance ?

OSA is SACLOS.

[CodeNameColdWar]

Missiles wise ADAT are a bit better but still aren’t much to warrant different BR
MIM-146 vs 9M113

2S6 has better cannon ( x2dual barrel 30mm + Faster firerate (1 251 shots/min) vs ADATS x1 25mm with fire rate at 501 shots/min
2S6 also has better Thermal. Which can help them eyeball targets that are in radar blindspot or when you turn off Radar to get surprise attack.
(Excluded AT capability)

People has been said that Pantsir S1 isn’t necessary since US still has ADATS and Japan don’t even have Type81 when Pantsir S1 came out.
Gaijin dev blog outright reply that their stat show that 2S6 inferrior to others SAM spaa (lmao)
And till this day they still haven’t address SAM balance problem with Pantsir S1

Yes Type 81 are very good against Jet. But GL trying to hit / lock Helicopter lopping ATGM at 7-8km. Or helicopter that can do this.

And no radar. I would at least lower its BR

Yes Otomatic should go down in BR already. as it already has APFSDS limit due to its turret rack can only hold 12 APFSDS round i think (irl they has 3-round ready rack next to gun breech that once used. Crew need to reload that 3-round ready rack first. So they are able to fire APFSDS again.)
Not to mention that Otomatic hull ammo rack has no APFSDS limit follow its bug report. (they would have 38 total APFSDS they can carry but has 3-round ammo clip)

[HondaCivici]

gotcha.

Launch from above 8000 meters and Pantsir has issues detecting let alone intercepting.

I’ve heard this claim (from a certain someone) a lot but in my experience, I haven’t seen anyone doing this strat. Unless you’re directly above the pantisr, you will be spotted. That’s how I’ve seen the pantsir as so my strategy is sticking low to the ground, pop up, launch mavericks, and go back down.

Do you know if this claim is true

[JesusGotRad]

I mean, the Tunguska can do everything the ADATS can, just without the anti-tank capability of the missiles. The MIM-146 and Tunguska have the about the same range (6 mi), low smoke motors, and IRST track.

[Caernarvon02]

the irst isnt usable in all weather and therefore isn’t usable most of the time yes, but you can fire without a lock.

it does absolutely suck compared to soviet options tho

[CodeNameColdWar]

Yep unless you are in the Radar blind spot (directly above them) Their Radar would still be able to track you just fine.
Still even without radar lock you still can launch missile with optical guided / IRST.
So a good SPAA player will alway keep tracking enemy whereabout. Especially those who in radar blind spot. And if enemy is in range you can still shoot him down / intercepted enemy’s bomb/AGM.
The only problem is that outside stuff like Pantsir S1. Most AA missile have limit altitude range 8-10±km. While plane’s AGM , Bomb can just keep glide down . So while others can only try to shoot down enemy’s bomb/AGM . Pantsir S1 can try to shoot both enemy plane and enemy bomb/AGM.

[_Ave_Dominus_Nox]

I think this piece of shit deserves a BR 11.0 at best. This piece of junk has a radar worse than the Tunguska.