Yeah, I’ve never understood why the ADATS is 11.7 comparing it to 10.3s like the Stormer HVM and the OSA being added it’s hard to understand why it’s much higher than 10.7-11.0.
The advantages It has over the Stormer HVM at 10.3
prox fuse
slightly longer range
radar (which you can barely use anyway because people will just instantly detect and kill you)
Advtanges of the Stormer HVM
double the missiles
smaller and more nimble
can scout
Best optics in the game
If they ever gave the Stormer the LMM, there would be no reason to ever use the ADATS.
I know I still have more success with the Stormer at top tier than I do with the ADATS, only thing the ADATS is good at is dealing with helis.
Wouldn’t this be a big deal at longer-ish distances though ?
That Stormer’s IRST is literally a drawback considering it will pick up basically anything, even friendly scout drones, making it aggravating.
If we gonna take into consideration factors that don’t affect AA performance, I think it should be fair to mention ADATS has much more effective missiles for defense against ground units. US variant even have 25mm autocannon with APDS.
Yes, but so do many other 10.3 SAMs like the OSA. Its not enough alone to justify the ADATS being 1.3 BR higher than the Stormer and other 10.3s like Strela
It should have IFF, was reported months ago, but Gaijin is dragging their heals.
Considering that neither can actually defeat incoming missiles like a KH-38, the ability to smoke and move quickly is meaningful for defence. Additionally, duck in and out of cover is a big help. Also, as both have short range, you are forced to get closer to where the enemy aircraft are likely going to be. The ADATS is huge and slow and is an easy target, but the Stormer is far more able to get in close and find a good position, maybe even middle of the map, near the “frontline” to attack from, which mitigates its short range.
My experience with the ADATS missiles for Anti-tank work is that they barely work, usually needing at least 2 per target, considering you only have 8 missiles (16 with the ammo crate) that is a lot of waste ammo. You also have to expose yourself fully to use them normally, so they are only valuable for self defence, but even then starstreaks can kill any light tank and even a few MBTs with a well placed shot. Britains does not have the autocannon.
I mean if the enemy is directly above sure but the Pantsir has the best vertical radar gimbal limits. I don’t think I’ve ever once not detected an enemy above me in a Pantsir.
The ADATS missiles also don’t fly straight, they kinda spiral which makes aiming at specific spots difficult. Like aiming for the roof against a hull down enemy.
People always mention the ADATS’s anti tank capabilities but you never see an ADATS in game actually kill tanks consistently. Like the missiles are decent but the platform definitely is not.
Yep, not used it much, but I’d typically have to hit a tank with 2 or 3 missiles to score a kill. With the amount of ERA, they just arent effective enough and no more effective than many ATGM launchers found as low as 8.0. Like the Striker.
Id move it to 10.7 and put it back to being a ATGM slinger and move it to the Warrior line. Then add a new SPAA for top tier Britain.
US is tricker because of the autocanon but id barely place it much higher
Sorry but can’t comment on OSA since I’m not on the dev server.
This is true, but sadly plenty of maps we have only offer like 500m of room before you end up at the front lines which is far from ideal for any SPAA.
From my experience it depends from vehicle to vehicle. I’ve OHK’d some MBTs but those were mostly 3-crew variants like T-tanks or Types. 4-crew variants will often require two missiles as you stated.
So far I’ve only managed to kill a Fuji with Starstreaks and that was a side shot. Other MBTs seem immune.
In my opinion ADATS should be a bit higher than 2S6, at least the US version.
Not quite.
It has 300m more range, but the missiles are much slower. They keep manouverability for longer, it is worse tho, and they have a smoke trail for 8-9km of flight.
Search radar has a better range, but it has much lower RPM, and it scans in 3 zones, so only a small portion of elevation at a time. No thermals, but track radar is good for some reason.
Sad radar scan pattern
That seems weird, is it an IR slinger by any chance ?
I’ve shot a fair share of T-tanks and Leopards in the side of the hull but could only get the track. That must’ve been a really crazy angle. But regardless, I’d feel much safer with ADATS than Stormer, at least when it comes to ground threats.
If you move ADATS down, what about OTOMATIC and Type 81C then ? That’s another problem.
From what I’ve seen Gaijin is pushing some vehicles from some nations higher than they should be in order for everyone to have their “top tier”. In my opinion only countries that should have 12.0 vehicles are US/GER/RU/SWE, with Italy’s 2A7 also being up there.
Missiles wise ADAT are a bit better but still aren’t much to warrant different BR MIM-146 vs 9M113
2S6 has better cannon ( x2dual barrel 30mm + Faster firerate (1 251 shots/min) vs ADATS x1 25mm with fire rate at 501 shots/min
2S6 also has better Thermal. Which can help them eyeball targets that are in radar blindspot or when you turn off Radar to get surprise attack.
(Excluded AT capability)
People has been said that Pantsir S1 isn’t necessary since US still has ADATS and Japan don’t even have Type81 when Pantsir S1 came out.
Gaijin dev blog outright reply that their stat show that 2S6 inferrior to others SAM spaa (lmao)
And till this day they still haven’t address SAM balance problem with Pantsir S1
Yes Type 81 are very good against Jet. But GL trying to hit / lock Helicopter lopping ATGM at 7-8km. Or helicopter that can do this.
And no radar. I would at least lower its BR
Yes Otomatic should go down in BR already. as it already has APFSDS limit due to its turret rack can only hold 12 APFSDS round i think (irl they has 3-round ready rack next to gun breech that once used. Crew need to reload that 3-round ready rack first. So they are able to fire APFSDS again.)
Not to mention that Otomatic hull ammo rack has no APFSDS limit follow its bug report. (they would have 38 total APFSDS they can carry but has 3-round ammo clip)
I’ve heard this claim (from a certain someone) a lot but in my experience, I haven’t seen anyone doing this strat. Unless you’re directly above the pantisr, you will be spotted. That’s how I’ve seen the pantsir as so my strategy is sticking low to the ground, pop up, launch mavericks, and go back down.
I mean, the Tunguska can do everything the ADATS can, just without the anti-tank capability of the missiles. The MIM-146 and Tunguska have the about the same range (6 mi), low smoke motors, and IRST track.
Yep unless you are in the Radar blind spot (directly above them) Their Radar would still be able to track you just fine.
Still even without radar lock you still can launch missile with optical guided / IRST.
So a good SPAA player will alway keep tracking enemy whereabout. Especially those who in radar blind spot. And if enemy is in range you can still shoot him down / intercepted enemy’s bomb/AGM.
The only problem is that outside stuff like Pantsir S1. Most AA missile have limit altitude range 8-10±km. While plane’s AGM , Bomb can just keep glide down . So while others can only try to shoot down enemy’s bomb/AGM . Pantsir S1 can try to shoot both enemy plane and enemy bomb/AGM.
