Does the Abrams have a spall liner? No from what I could find

[Panther2995]

@SneedSellsFeed

You are going to shoot the BVM and T-80B in the exact same spot. Covering the exact same area.
Just like the T-90M. You could make a point for the Leopard 2s because of their hull - but the 2A5 and 2A6 are at 11.7 anyway.

Difference is BVM has the same gun handling that has M1A2 has, not to mention it also has similiar mobility and significantly less weakspots compare to T80B.

@SneedSellsFeed

Not that it matters because you don’t seem to understand that my point was proven from the moment that picking apart small changes was necessary.

Thats right i cant understand your point cause it contains zero information and knowledge.

@SneedSellsFeed

Also, much better survivability? Pretty sure the Merkava and Ariete are just as survivable at 10.0-10.3

Show me a single reply where i mentioned about Merkava and Ariete, people like you are always like to bring those tanks into arguments in order to justfiy their empty claims while ignoring real top tier tanks.

@SneedSellsFeed

The BVM doesn’t have any magical modifiers the B has.

I guess someone doesnt have any idea about overperforming hull armor.

@SneedSellsFeed

The Challenger 2’s hull ammo is still there just like on the Challenger 1

Didnt even talked about Challengers as well, another pointless counter argument.

@SneedSellsFeed

The 2A5 and 2A6 without spall liners are still 11.7.

Both tanks does have Spall liner on their turret, thanks for showing once again that you lack basic knowledge about Leopard Family.

@SneedSellsFeed

The T-90M still has the same LFP, carousel, lower sides and breech

Just like any other top tier tank, difference is those weakspots are much smaller compare to its counterparts.

@SneedSellsFeed

They play the exact same

Not even close but you couldnt know that since you dont have them in the first place, actually you dont have anything other then 105mm Abrams and Chinese tanks at high tiers.

@SneedSellsFeed

I don’t even know why you’re trying to imply it changes

Its normal for you to not understand because you lack experience.

@SneedSellsFeed

It is different, but the tanks certainly are not substantially different whatsoever.

Same situation again, lacking knowledge.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

You are just proving our point then.

You are talking about M1A2 SEP and SEPv2 as if you had a PHD on first hand experience on the Abrams tank when, on your own words, your only experience with the Abrams was a bunch of matches back in 2018 with the now far-from-to-tier Abrams variants.

You are not basing your opinion on the Top Abrams tanks on any experience, just on bias.

[SneedSellsFeed]

@Panther2995

significantly less weakspots compare to T80B.

It has the exact same weakspots.

@Panther2995

Show me a single reply where i mentioned about Merkava and Ariete, hopeless people like you are always like to bring those tanks into arguments in order to justfiy their empty claims while ignoring real top tier tanks.

The conversation is about top tier tanks. The Merkava and Ariete AMV are top tier tanks in the game.
They are literally tanks at 11.7. They will be mentioned.

Do you think the Abrams being expressly better than them doesn’t count because they’re not “real” 11.7 tanks despite being 11.7? What stupid semantics just to make your argument seem stronger.

[Panther2995]

@SneedSellsFeed

It has the exact same weakspots

Sorry i dont take someone’s words seriously when they talk about vehicles that they dont have.

[SneedSellsFeed]

@SPANISH_AVENGER

You are talking about M1A2 SEP and SEPv2 as if you had a PHD on first hand experience on the Abrams tank when, on your own words, your only experience with the Abrams was a bunch of matches back in 2018 with the now far-from-to-tier Abrams variants.

You are not basing your opinion on the Top Abrams tanks on any experience, just on bias.

What bias? I’ve literally played these vehicles. I’ve played Chinese top tier vehicles. I’ve faced these vehicles and I used them. And I know what it means to have a 5 second reload speed and 10 degrees of gun depression and other advantages.

[VF111_Sundowners]

Brother in Christ it’s not misleading considering you have no other tanks to compare to, those are genuinely the only high tier US tanks you have. You legitimately do better in Chinese tanks and your stats show it. If anything it bolsters the argument that you have no room to be commenting on US top tier on the basis of a lack of experience

[SneedSellsFeed]

@Panther2995

Sorry i dont take someone’s words seriously when they talk about vehicles that they dont have.

I’ve killed hundreds of T-80s, T-72s and I’ve killed BVMs and T-90Ms.
Exact. Same. Weakspots.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

@SneedSellsFeed

What bias? I’ve literally played these vehicles

No. You have not “literally” played M1A2 SEP, M1A2 SEPv2, M1A1 HC or M1A1 AIM against hordes of 2A7Vs, 2A7HUs, 122B+s, 122B PLSSs,122As and BVMs.

You played a bunch of matches with M1 and IPM1 against Leopard 2Ks and T-64Bs in 2018.

[SneedSellsFeed]

@VF111_Sundowners

You legitimately do better in Chinese tanks and your stats show it

I did the exact same while playing those vehicles in 2018 with far less experience.
Are you just all mentally ill?

In that same year - I played the M36 GMC and I had a slightly over 1 K/D.
Last year, I played the Chinese M36 GMC and I had a 2 K/D. Completely different people.

[Panther2995]

@SneedSellsFeed

I’ve killed hundreds of T-80s, T-72s and I’ve killed BVMs and T-90Ms.
Exact. Same. Weakspots.

Couldnt care less about what you think about those vehicles.

Without solid experience and knowledge your words doesnt mean anything, now go back to your Chinese tanks thread where you can complain about why Gaijin still hasnt add their Spall Liners.

[SneedSellsFeed]

@Panther2995

Couldnt care less about what you think about those vehicles.

Not “think”. Very objective reality that anyone can see when facing those vehicles and in the hangar protection analysis.

Not related to my opinions whatsoever.

[VF111_Sundowners]

I mean your ZTZ96A P has better stats than your Abrams but okay I’m mentally ill apparently. Maybe play the Abrams again since it’s been six years if you don’t like that the ZTZ has a higher kd.

[Panther2995]

@SneedSellsFeed

Not “think”. Very objective reality that anyone can see when facing those vehicles and in the hangar protection analysis.

As if someone who can have objective opinions when they lack solid experience on those vehicles, not to mention it s a common knowledge that protection analysis isnt hundred percent accurate.

You proved nothing but only how clueless and unexperienced you are when it comes to other Nations vehicles.

[_Renzo]

@SneedSellsFeed

OHK? Hull down? With what? HE? Literally what?

Coming back to this bit, this is a pretty easy shot to make when an Abrams is hull down and you can only see the turret (so not the turret ring). pretty much every time I hit it in the test drive the ammo cooked off.

I know this is in the test drive, but I couldn’t quickly find a friend that has the abrams online to do a bit more of a real test.

EDIT: Ah shit, seems like medal doesn’t like cooperating today.

[Panther2995]

Call me when you need to do those kind of tests.

Always happy to help.

[SneedSellsFeed]

@_Renzo

I know this is in the test drive, but I couldn’t quickly find a friend that has the abrams online to do a bit more of a real test.

A test drive is completely pointless. I one-shot the M1 Abrams every single time with the ZBD04A’s APS03 in the test drive, but it doesn’t happen in a real match because (hopefully) the enemies that you’re facing are actual living humans with thoughts in their head and proper positioning.

@Panther2995

As if someone who can have objective opinions when they lack solid experience on those vehicles, not to mention it s a common knowledge that protection analysis isnt hundred percent accurate.

You keep talking about “experience” even when facing objective facts. It really doesn’t matter what you seem to think. I’m not even stating opinions. I literally edited that post with a very simple comparison in the hangar. Immutable.

[Panther2995]

@SneedSellsFeed

You keep talking about “experience” even when facing objective facts. It really doesn’t matter what you seem to think. I’m not even stating opinions. I literally edited that post with a very simple comparison in the hangar. Immutable.

As a wise man said: Never argue with the ignorant, because he will always prove you wrong with his ignorance.

[SneedSellsFeed]

@Panther2995

As a wise man said: Never argue with the ignorant, because he will always prove you wrong with his ignorance.

Exactly.

[Panther2995]

@SneedSellsFeed

Exactly

Thanks for agreeing that how ignorant you are.

At least you show some experience in that case.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

Since you like using K/Ds as an argument, let’s try taking myself, an all-nation player, as an example to illustrate my point:

Germany:
Leopard 2A7V: 1.97 (+)
Leopard 2A6: 1.38 (+)
Leopard 2 PSO: 1.30 (+)
Leopard 2A5: 1.25 (+)
Leopard 2 PL: 1.14 (+)

Sweden:
Strv 122B PLSS: 1.40 (+)
Strv 122A: 1.32 (+)
Strv 122B+: 1.30 (+)

Japan:
Type 10: 1.58 (+)
TKX: 1.53 (+)
Type 90: 1.40 (+)
Type 90 (B): 1.37 (+)

Russia:
T-80BVM: 1.24 (+)
T-72B3: 1.16 (+)
T-90M: 1.11 (+)
T-80U: 1.01 (+)

U.K:
Challenger 3 (TD): 1.26 (+)
Black Night: 1.15 (+)
Challenger 2E: 1.12 (+)
Challenger 2 (2F): 1.08 (+)
Challenger 2: 0.98 (-)
Challenger 2 TES: 0.97 (-)

France:
Leclerc S.1: 1.20 (+)
Leclerc S.2: 1.14 (+)

Israel:
Merkava Mk.4M: 1.15 (+)
Merkava Mk.4B: 1.13 (+)
Merkava Mk.4LIC: 1.08 (+)

America:
M1A2 SEPv2: 1.41 (+)
M1A1 HC: 1.17 (+)
M1A2: 0.97 (-)
M1A2 SEP: 0.96 (-)
M1A1 AIM: 0.90 (-)

Now… why may that be?

And before you jump in to stat-shame or say “skill issue”, I know I am far from being a good player, as I am merely average and I don’t care to do any better. I play War Thunder extremely casual while browsing the Forums, watching shorts, playing music, eating ice cream and generally not caring a single bit about K/Ds.

But if the Abrams tanks are so OP and so good… why could I possibly perform worse on them than on many other MBTs I have? If they are so OP and so good, shouldn’t it carry this noob’s matches? Isn’t that what OP vehicles do?

Wouldn’t you agree that, when the same player plays many vehicles the exact same way… the performance is decided at least mostly by the vehicle’s capabilities?