Sure, whatever you say " Tovarisch"
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Talking about the Leopard
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Ok im going type this in big words so yo all can see it better. EVERY SINGLE MODERN TANK HAS A SPALL LINER IN IT. THE M60 PATTONS EVEN HAVE SPALL LINERS IN THEM.
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they somehow think the Turret of Abrams and Leopards are penetrable by the russian ATGMs… Somehow i killed a leo 2A7 through its turret with the 9M123 last week.
So much b.s with nato tanks its sad
if you are even 5 degrees off the turret of a Leo 2A7 can be penetrate by ATGMs
Both documents directly state that they can use all ammunition that the ADEN and DEFA can chamber, so that would mean, I know its hard for foxo to understand, All ADEN and DEFA ammo.
30X113MM DEFA.pdf (generalequipment.info)
So it should be able to fire the MHEI and APHEI rounds modern DEFA cannons can use.
Even the DEFA ammo table outright states the M230E1 can feed these rounds.
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The biggest problems with the Abrams is that after the M1A1 the whole line turns into copy and paste. Sep v2 is the biggest star of this, the damn dev blog can only come up with a remote control turret (something a damn 3.3 sherman can do) and dubious ERA. Hell, its arguably weaker thanks to the unremovable TUSK!
Why the hell would any player, who knows what the hell theyre doing in top tier, bother going after the top of the line Abrams that provides almost nothing but being heavier. Compare this to the German and Swedish trees, where the reward for reaching the end of the line are some of the best protected leapords in the game. Also, you get the best shell on top because why not.
Gaijin shouldve added spall liners and the DU hull to the SEP v2. Because itll at least be an actual upgrade for the Abrams tree.
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They don’t have spall liners the way you want them. Additionally… what documentation are we providing to show how much DU will improve the armor?
@Dinfire Do you have any documentation that shows how much the DU armor will actually improve the resistance to KE rounds?
Perhaps @Conraire ?
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A “drawbacks” does not make a tanks bad in combat.
100 tanks on the battlefied, 80 survived multilple hit and no meida talk about it because why the user need to clarify when they know it protected them, 20 destroyed then media just spam it and call that a “bad design” , will you call it a bad tank design ?
Mind staying on topic?
This is on topic, gaijin really needs to buff real life T80BVMs this is impossible in war thunder.
Doesn’t Gaijin already just assume an extra 50% or something on the turret cheeks? They could just use that value.
No, it’s still fine, they neee to tix the Leclerc and the model of T-90M
Are you requesting us to provide classified documents as the “burden of proof” for armor values? We all know that’s the only proof there is. That’s not a feasible ask.
Although, You should set the tone and lead by example.
You provide the documents supporting the current armor values for the sep v2.
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😂 😂😂👍
Am I the only to catch this?
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No, why would anyone ask this? Obviously we don’t want anyone sharing stuff that isn’t permissible for release.
You stated “it’s on us to provide the burden of proof”….
Declassified sources will not provide any “burden of proof” other than- bland unspecified information open to interpretation with nothing more than general conclusions or statements. This is not a feasible request.
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Piece together sources or research showing how much more effective DU would be at stopping long rod Sabot than other metals. You should be able to form SOME estimate.
Of course if there is no information, please don’t share information from restricted sources. Simply put, you’re out of luck.
Do you work for gaijin?
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