Something I stumbled across looking into Chobham armor. Source is from USAREUR : the United States Army in Europe by Michael Skinner
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Maybe someone will have to email poor Zaloga again XD
The Canadian Army Trophy states
“ The United States also introduced an entirely new vehicle, the M1 Abrams. This platform originated from the aftermath of the failed U.S.-German MBT 70 program. When this joint endeavor failed and American efforts to sustain the program alone similarly collapsed, the Army undertook the design of a new tank. In 1972 the Main Battle Tank Task Force convened at Fort Knox to determine its basic characteristics. Development efforts adjusted to accommodate lessons learned from the
1973 Arab-Israeli War. Consequently, crew survivability and the need for increased protection strongly influenced the resultant design. Composite armor based upon British Chobham armor provided significantly improved ballistic protection, supplemented by an automatic fire detection and suppression system, and a spall liner. (68)”
This clearly states that the M1 Abrams is installed with a spall liner. It’s safe to say that the newer models of the Abrams are installed with spall liners as well.
Link to the official PDF
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Is this guy a russian propagandist? American vehicles have had spall liners since the M60s. You do realize its integrated into the armor spall liners dont have to be visible for it to be there, its also not a kevlar “rug” like the extremely cheap and almost useless russian ones.
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I find it hilarious that so many people appear to believe that the nation that has spent trillions more on defense spending than any other nation since the 1980’s has overlooked something as basic as spall mitigation in their regularly upgraded MBT. Logically that doesn’t make any sense.
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Funnier are the people that can’t accept metal layers can be spall liners as well. See the spall box for crew compartment ammo storage in proposed Abrams prototypes. Aluminum panels.
There have been plenty of studies and reports that show spall liners being incorporated in composite armor packages, and even steel backplates used to absorb spall.
But these clowns insist it has to be an exposed final layer. They get mad when the adhesives mentioned in the studies prevent metal from spalling, and that intermediate steel barriers can be designed to not spall through a combination of laminate design and metallurgy.
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Agreed. The old adage that “there is more than one way to skin a cat” applies here. In this case, there is more than one way to make an effective spall liner.
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Russian propagandists are just malding that the Ivans don’t have the know-how, industry or budget to do what the US can with hardware, armor and munition innovations.
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This report reinforces my initial conclusion that logic dictates that the Abrams has had some sort of a spall liner from day one. In it there is a section talking about the improvements made to the baseline M3 to reach the M3A2 Bradley standard.
It mentions that during testing of the baseline M3 Bradley the Army identified the need for increased protection, including a crew spall liner, and added additional armor and a spall liner in the A2 update. Does it seem likely that the same military that quickly added a spall liner in the first update to an IFV isn’t at any point in the Abrams 40+ year lifespan going to discuss the addition of a spall liner to the Abrams, which as a tank is far more likely to come under heavy fire than a Bradly, unless the Abrams has always had one? Just my two cents.
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So, in other words just about the entire Abrams should have secondary_shatter set to false?
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Yes! :D
Probably the best way to put it. But the commies and Leo fans would mald even harder.
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at least everywhere that has composite armor
Na. From what @Count_Trackula seemed to be saying the basic steel armor integrates an anti-spall backplate of soft steel. The photos and casualty reports of the Abrams that got nailed in the side hull where the only composite is in the skirts themselves seems to indicate that.
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Integrated liner report was passed 8 hours ago so ball’s in the devs court
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/BcMSgWYhwd5k
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Hopefully something happens. The bug report talking about DU Hull was acknowledged but nothing happened:(
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Well, TrickZZter is involved, so nothing’s going to happen.
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the TCM AGS has a spall liner modelled ingame but acts as RHA and does the opposite job it’s supposed to do. gaijin? please bro. fix that thing
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hey i’m just psyched we got it through
Are all Abrams going to receive this? Finally M1 Abrams won’t suck.
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Don’t get your hopes up we all saw what happened with the DU inserts :(
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