Does RU bias acctually exist?

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This is how you can tell the community just hates RU and it’s not about balance at all. Look at the QN506 vs BMPT. The QN506 has APFSDS, better thermals, more missile pen and a scout UAV, and it sat at 10.0 like nothing was wrong. Nobody cared. The BMPT didn’t even have APFSDS and people were crying about it nonstop, like hundreds of complaints a day. Even after it got moved up to 11.3 they still cry. That already proves it’s not about stats, it’s about it being Russian. i know the armour was tough but when compared to the QN506…

Same thing with the T58 at 8.0. That thing has a stupid fast reload and can straight-up delete vehicles way above its BR, but no one says a word about it. If that thing was Russian it would’ve been screamed about day one. And at top tier it’s even worse — the Strv 122B+ is easily one of the best tanks in the game, and Sweden’s been OP since the Strv 103 and CV90s, but people still swear the T-90M and T80BVM is better just because “Russian bias”.

People say the Pantsir at 12.0 should go even higher, even though it’s slow, clunky, bad gun depression, GIANT, and basically can’t fight tanks at all. Meanwhile the ADATS sits at 11.7, can easily kill MBTs, is way more flexible, and everyone says it’s fine. Same role, same idea, totally different reaction — because one’s Russian and one isn’t.

also tank shots… when ive seen shells dissapear into Leos and lecercs, ive just continued, that wasnt a one off it’s happened more times than i’ve used boosters. but as soon as a T80 takes a shell into the void, “there RuSsian BiAs”, ive died easily to Nato MBTs and i see Sweden as the best nation, RU as the most flexable.

when you see RU tanks take hits that should have killed them, you compain, but when you see NATO tanks take the same hit… silence. why? why dont you complain about that? beacuse its not russian.

ik the community is going to hate me (you know it too) but i wanted to point out a few (of more) things, USSR is not favored or biased, i just dont see why everyone says “bias”. it doesnt exist

you can hate me now

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Last time I fought that QN506, I 1 tapped it with absolute ease. It does not have th survivabiltiy of a 12.7 MBT. You have fixated on the only reason why the BMPT isnt 12.0+ yet instead of why it was totally innapropriate for 10.7.

Not a BR I play, so I wont comment. The lowest ive played of late is 9.0/9.3 and the biggest issue I was having is all the soviet Autocanon vehicles (BMP, BMD, etc), all the soviet ATGM slingers (BTR, 775, etc) and the stupid uptiers vs things like the T-80UD

T-80BVM was added in June 2021
STRV 122B+ was added in Decemeber 2023.

BVM was stupidly OP for those 2 years, and still remains a very capable top tier MBT.

though Sweden does balance out having decent MBTs for having pretty poor CAS and SPAA

Again, you are fixating on the ability of an SPAA to kill tanks as a reason for their BR and NOT their ability to fight aircraft.

Pantsir has an effective range of about 12-15km, vs the ADATS 8-10km. ADATS can only engage one target at a time, Pantsir can engage 4.

The Pantsir was substantially more powerful than anything else that existed prior to the IRIS-T SLM being added and even to this day, it outperforms any of the 12.3 SPAA such as the Chinese CS/SA5 and even performs better than the Spyder.

and quite frankly. The ADATS suck as a Tank destroyer, if its being balanced regarding that, it needs to be 9.7 alongside the Khrizantema-S

When a NATO tank survives a hit, its because it hit one of the few actually armoured points, such as the turret cheek. When a soviet tank survive a hit, its usually the round passing straight through the main ammo carousel, the carousel going black and the soviet tank turning around and firing as if I had just thrown a stone at it.

And dont even get me started on the nature of soviet ERA being able to magically block any and all damage whilst NATO ERA cant even stop CE weapons at the moment

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youve not been playing long enough to fully realise where the russian exceptionalism really is
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It shouldnt even have APDS technically. and its just like falcon and 35mm SPAAs, its the volume of fire that makes it game breaking

premium bias is also a well known thing too. Turm 3 and T58 are prime examples.

try shooting down planes with both

NATO armour underperforms to hell and back just as NATO darts are.

over the last week ive played a lot of USSR and been getting 10 win streaks like its nothing. Beaten my kill record (for non sealclubbing tanks) by a large margin too.

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what the KV vs 1000LB?

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KV tanks vs 1000lb bombs?

Was surviving direct hits from them pretty much every time, it was taking american 2000lb bombs to kill my KV-1 zis 5

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eh? BMPT has WAY more survivability than T-90M, often damage ends on a singular crew member (BMPT has 5 crew members, have fun killing someone like that)

people do talk about it? check the br suggestion thread

is this a ragebait

this is an universal problem?

take a look at the russian forum, people love to complain about nato tanks there

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Maybe.

There’s a lot of discussion to be had about the implementation and bug report/fixing of vehicles, because I believe the entire system is full of devs/bug report managers personal biases. Some of the biases go towards Russia, and some forwards or agents other nations.

Take the implementation of the J-10C vs the Su-30SM2. One is stuck with its earlier production engine, while the other gets the best engines it could theoretically use (and I think a better radar than earlier variants too). The Su-30SM2 still isnt the best plane in the game because the Rafale exists.

There’s also the whole EFT vs Rafale, where seemingly only the Rafale got major buffs, including a MICA seeker buff which is something we’ve only seen one ARH missile.

The F-16 (and I think many other planes) are over performing by a significant margin, while the MiG-29 is stuck slightly underperforming with a bad loadout.

The F-15A is also going to 12.7 while the MiG-29G (objectively worse) is left to rot at 13.0, along with planes like the Sea Harrier FA2, or F-14B.

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The ADATS having the ability to take out tanks doesn’t mean it’s good at it. It’s not stabilized and requires for the vehicle to be stopped in order to shoot. it’s AT capabilities will be used mainly as a defensively or to catch unsuspecting enemies (which will rarely happen). It’s anti air capabilities is not that great either. terrible search radar, only IRST (cannot reliably acquire munitions), and it’s missile aren’t great (unable to make correction long distance).

The Pantsir was and still is one of the best spaa in the game because it’s actually good at it’s job.

Being able to do two roles only means somethings if it’s good or at least average, but it’s not.

I’m just gonna say it now, when your 3 highest BR vehicles in the game are premiums, it makes it very hard to take what you say seriously.
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RU bias does exist, but so does US bias, GER bias, and insert nation bias. You just have to play a certain BR at a certain time in the game to experience them.

The real discussion that needs to happen is how vehicles are implemented and the bug reporting system. There is no clear standard because they constantly flip flop

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Ngl I stopped reading at the comparaison QN506 vs BMPT

Gotta be a ragebait topic

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Not been following it much, but the engines, like the radar, was only theoretically possible, but mostly used on the Su-35 or something. If nothing else, its up to known specs. Other radars, such as ECRS Mk2, are not.

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