Does Germany suffer? An honest opinion from a Veteran of War Thunder

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My first issue with this post:
“veteran” is a bit of a stretch with about 10k battles total.
Second issue:
your experience wont at all be representative of most other players since you use A LOT of premium vehicles (4/10 of your most played vehicles are premium, your top 11 RP earner vehicles are ALL premium).

All of your tigers and leopards you own have a K/D of less than 1.

you don’t own any planes above rank 5. all of your planes (except one) that have been used for CAS by you have a K/D of less than one.

It just irks me that you have relatively little experience and the experience you do have is opposite to what you claim here. as well as having so many premiums that your playtime experience wont even be close to the regular players experience.

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I don’t play this game competitively, I play it so I can have fun, so having a tank with a low K/D is no big issue, as its just a stat for a video game.

I consider myself a vet because I have that many battles, and the premium vehicles are just to bolster my line ups whenever I was at that br!

I’m saying the whole plane thing is based off of experience I have seen from other players.

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Personally, I’d love to have paper vehicles (as long as we know a bit about em)

There are so many interesting paper designs, like the Lowe or, just as an example, the O-I, and even if they wouldn’t work IRL, they’d work in game, at some BR.

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The fake is very loosely based on it. The 8.8cm is a seperate project entirely.

The hull was built. That’s enough for Gaijin to reintroduce a more realistic Panther II back into the game under their new partial prototype category.

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Something like this would be far more appropriate. Based on the information available.

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Not a Panther 2 turret afaik. Just seems like a Panther F narrow mantlet turret. Because the Panther 2 arrived in the US with only a turret weight simulator. And the americans later added the Panther G turret.

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Wasn’t the Panther II just a Panther I with more armor, and later on down the line decided to share components with the Tiger II?

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That sadly means your opinion on the efficiency of vehicles wont be that useful to other players.

you can do that, but from my experience on the forum those numbers are not nearly enough to call yourself a veteran.

your absolute most played german vehicles are around rank 4-5. you have a TOTAL of 198 battles in ALL of your german vehicles above rank 6. 145 of which are in a premium tank and 53 in a normal tech tree vehicle.
the only place in the tech tree that i personally feel that you have had any sort of normal experience of play is in rank 5. (and very close with rank 4 but 210 battles in a premium still scens things).

then using “an honest opinion from a veteran” in the title is VERY misleading.

Edit: holy shit, i just noticed. out of the 15 vehicles you have in rank 7 only ONE is a normal tech tree vehicle all other 14 are premiums and squadron vehicles.

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Yes, correct. So 6.3 should be fine. As it would essentially play just like an unarmoured F.

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Edit: nvm thats some drawing of some tank. 8.8 was some other paper project, idk how far that turret was along

If the real Panther 2 was to go to germany it would probably be best to have whatever plannet turret was going to be used for testing or whatever production turret was available before cancellation in 1943.

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Not every player plays competitively.

I have that many battles because I recently started rank 6 (and made my way to rank 7 just a few days ago)

I recently purchased premiums in rank 3 and 4 (KW I and Tiger P command vehicle) The Sturmtiger and LGS are ones I earned through their respective events.

The plane thing based off experience from other players is my opinion. If one doesn’t think the line ups are that effective, that is their opinion.

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I had those vehicles before they were rank 7 (where applicable). And all squad vehicles I have, I earn.

I can promise this, not a SINGLE one of my squad vehicles were GE’d.

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That’s Panther II from Panzer Tracts 2008. The Panzer Tracts series is one of the best sources for German armour.

This is a good summary on the issues with the Panther II in WT.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/s/jlJnrViV8U

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so even more statistics that goes against the self-.titillation of veteran.

of which the 15 vehicles you own only one is a normal tech tree vehicle.
“a few days ago” and yet you have 114 battles in the premium pzbtl 123 and 116 battles total last week.
and if you ment total over all nations you have about 900 battles in rank 7 premiums.

sure, i can believe that you earned the squadron vehicles. but only 4 of those 15 above rank 6 are squad vehicles. so accounting for that 10 out of 15 were bought, 4 were earned but still “premium” and one normal tech tree that you have played 53 games in. (not only that but having earned those squadron vehicles through the use of premiums you bought is not really representative either.)

i would say that your experience in rank 4-5 and (maybe 6) is where you can come to conclusions that i would believe. but rank 7 and 8 you really have no valuable information from.

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But I say I’m a vet of the game, because of that, and my time in the game as a whole.

The T-72 TURMS, when I purchased it, was at rank 6 I believe, however, since they put the BR and rank up, its now rank 7.

So, I’ll play more rank 7 and get a better idea on it, then make a revised version of this.

Thanks!

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you made your account in January 2020. you have about 4 years. the game was released for a wider market in 2012. that’s not really that long in the grand scheme of things. i personally have even less time (march 2022). but not far off the amount of games (9k vs 9.9k). i am absolutely not considering myself a veteran. most forum users i have seen use veteran for players that have been playing since the mid 2010’s and have over 20k battles. i’m not saying that those numbers are magical, its just what i have personally seen it be around.

that does not change my point?

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Best way to fill this is to bring back the removed German Vehicles, or introduce more vehicles to fill this gap.

Ridiculous they added vehicles to fill the gap and then removed them again without filling the gap.

German players also think they are invulnerable, so they press W.

Baseless claim, I’m tired of this stupid ‘nation does X’ narrative.

Tanks like the Tiger II or Leo 1 can easily dominate an entire match

Anything can dominate an entire match, neither of them are the most powerful vehicle in a match, and I would absolutely love to know why people are so obsessed over the Leopard where people keep pretending it’s an insane vehicle when it really has nothing interesting going on.

Germany also has powerful CAS

Doesn’t hold a candle to the US, and AP belts are insanely expensive compared to bombs, whilst also being a lot worse.

Plus once you have to use the Me410s, BF 110s, Do 335s… you get shredded by US CAS as well which not only have absurd loadouts, they also make for way more competent fighters that can easily fill a fighter role after dropping their payload, which isn’t even addressing their free AA .50s operated by magic.

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The whole SP system is a joke when it comes to loadouts.

And then if you can’t afford it, which is not unlikely, you have to rely on the default belt which can look like this.

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Whilst some planes get default belts that are 50% AP, or armored target belts that are only 75% AP but still cost a stupid amount to go from 50 to 75%.

German tanks have weaknesses

A weakness is their lack of variety and non-meta vehicles and at top tier lacking support options, after spawning MBTs you have to use a BR 9-10 vehicles at top tier.

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The Panther II was planned to use this turret type, likely one that’s larger but the point still is, they made something to represent what was meant to be. But due to it never being mounted or the picture was simply lost to time, chances are we will never know. So I concur however it is nothing more than plausible.

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A key component that hampers Germany in WT is the double standard with which the community and GJ itself balances Germany. On one hand its aok for every other allied AA to have more than 70mm of pen and act as a TD while when German AA´s are doing it, its a massive balance issue.

Additionally to this comes the balance by player metrics that “nerfs” good players in uptiering their favourite vehicles while at the same time “rewards” bad players by lowering their vehicles for performing bad e.g. BR patch where a few players influenced the stats by playing the worst F-104 (cant remember which version atm) causing an uptier.

The next part in regards to Germany is that its vehicles are often times hampered intentionally by either setting them into the wrong evironment. Sure as a game developer you´d have to balance this out by mapdesign but there are far too many maps that contradict german design without any “compensation” for it.

There are several examples of intentionally holding back Germany as a punchingbag, a start would be the filling of german bombs, withholding of the Skyranger boxer, withholding of the AHEAD ammo for Gepard and PUMA, Moffett and SKR-7 guns being laser accurate while german guns cant hit the broadside of a barn, allied planecannons and HMG´s acting as subsidized AT-cannons without extra SP costs, no working Exocet launchers for the Bussard but SAM Launchers for Russia and US, no IRIS-T SLS for Germany for being too modern but three years of F-14 dominance is not too modern, worst version of vehicle gets picked (eg. Zerstörer 45 or Waffenträger) or triple nerf of the 151´s just to name a few.

Furthermore the players are basically divided into two groups as group one is the “I want to learn and master” while the other is “It doesnt work so change nation” and performs better with another TT. The german TT is simply a TT that doesnt forgive any mistakes whatsoever. Since I have the comparison of US/RU/GER/UK I can tell you that its more fun playing US/RU/UK, than Germany in its different branches.

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Well what we have is more a feverdream of proposals and unrelated projects.

But imaged turret is a late 44 design iirc and while early concepts for narrow mantlet turrets existed earlier, Panther 2 that we see irl was cancelled on 1943.

What they would mount on the prototype is anyones guess as afaik all that was is a turret test weight which the americans replaced with a turret.

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This is a perfect explanation. In top tier the tanks are good enough and the players get experienced enough to by pass there mistreatment. For ground Germany really needs better spaa and light tanks.

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