Since Gaijin says that the new B-52 and Tu-95M have an ECM of some kind, does anyone have a clue how it actually functions and what it could mean for current jets that may receive their ECM in the future? Just wanted to know, since this would be a very big addition to Russian and Chinese jets especially.
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you mean radar jamming?
Worst ECM known to men? Big addition? Ok
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You know gaijin it’ll somehow be as effective or more effective than western ones
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her’s how ecm works on su-27sk for example:
I wonder what the limitations for the ECM equipment are.
For example using L-203(e) jammer for su-27sk that China got from Russia, jamming is disabled when front radar is turned on due to interference, and it only works behind the plane in a ±60 degree azimuth and ±30 elevation. It also can’t jam to the sides of the plane.
So if you have to turn off the jammers to use the radar it’s gonna essentially be useless.
Though who knows if gaijin will model ecm like this with these such limitations.
Cause for example irl you can’t use spo-15 when you use the radar on the mig-29 because using the radar will constantly illuminate spo-15 so it’s essentially useless, but it doesn’t work like that in game.
Also for those curious about what ECM/JAMMERS do:
Taken from su-27sk manual, RLS refers to radar emissions.
From this we can see that it is really only effective below 500m.
Above that missiles will still cook you
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Yes, because Flankers and the J10 are very poor jets defensively. Anything they can get is a huge help for them.
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This is very informative, and did teach me some things I didn’t know before. But I was asking in regards as to how it functions in War Thunder, not real life. Gaijin doesn’t model things down to a T, hence my asking as to how it’s implimented ingame
this is only for missile redirection feature, not for the entire ECM suite.
L-203 also can work alongside the radar if it is switched into rear aspect protection mode (you have to manually pick what hemisphere to protect)
Technically you also should switch it into recieve mode for 3-4 seconds if you are launching R-27R/ER but i don’t think such minor things would be modelled by gaijin
And yeah, this is L-203, one of the earliest USSR jammers, Su-27 should use Sorbtsya, and Su-30/Su-34 Khibiny.
In USSR service i think only MiG-29 9.13 will have this jammer
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Looks like the bombers in game have repeater jamming
AIM 120 has home-on-jam mode, you turn on jam and it invalidates your notch, nice.
Home on jam isnt a thing against repeater jamming
Its a different thing repeater jamming is kinda obsolete nowdays due to filters n all that stuff, i would still like to see it effect early arh like aim120a/b,base r77, derby etc. And not ain120c5/d, R-77-1, I-derby.
SU33 and J15T dont have much defensively 48 CM is not a lot
The ECM works by inducing change over time to radar track parameters, including things like distance, angles, and velocity.
The change amount and rate are set per parameter, using up to 4 variables per parameter.
Jamming works on set bands, the current jammer uses band 2, although bands 4 and 8 also exist in the code specified for ECM.
Jammers have angular parameters, however the ones on the bombers have full sphere coverage.
Each jammer has a “visibility” (range) value set. Scaling for this is currently unkown, but it likely effects how its strength scales with distance, comparable to visibility bands on IR missiles.
Just shoot the missiles down.
Whenever you get a radar lock, the ECM literally throws the lock away. Like, the lock literally bounces off the plane. It does this by emitting the radar equivalent of that sound when you hold a microphone up to a speaker, all around the plane at certain frequency bands, making your radar really unsure of what it’s looking at. It can briefly lock, but the lock will be unstable and jittery and then fly away as mentioned before.
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The question is: Do the crew get sterilized while these jammer operating.