Doesn’t Turkey have more vehicle options than Israel tho?
An sub-tree having more vehicles than the nation it resides in seems a bit weird
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I wonder what nation OP mains
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I’m decently confused as India is already the UK’s subtt…
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Nah, Israel can’t get any thing.
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North America accounts for around 10% of Israeli military sales.
USA as Israeli sub tree?
Not at all likely, but real world arns sales, as opposed to simply the headline makers, do make for some weird theoretical tie ups.
Also Israel made a €4 billion sale of the Arrow 3 anti-ballistic missile system to Germany.
Germany as an Israeli subtree?
I mean yea, however like Israel, they do lack low tier vehicles iirc.
I always say Israel should be US subtree, making it into independent tree is the biggest mistake in WT. Israel tree is disgusting, there only 4 type of vehicle in the ground tree, Magach, Centurion, Merkava and other, that it. I not sure why they think getting India or any other nation as a sub-tree will help, Israel is the one who need to become a sub-tree. Just taking India as example, the vehicle they have not only can make into a sub-tree but even a independent full tree, from M3 stuart to T-72, T-90 or Arjun MBT, and you expect taking it as a sub-tree will help? Let’s say India had giving to Israel and will it become Israel tree? No, it will 100% become India tree. How could you call it Israel tree when there is more Indian vehicle in there? So for Israel tree player there is only 3 solutions to solve this situation according to me, 1. accept the status quo and keeping Israel as a independent tree or, 2. accept other nation as “sub-tree” while losing all feature (or even players) and flag/name to those “sub-tree” or, 3. just become US sub-tree
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That is not the reason causing today situation, the main reason is Israel IRL didn’t have that many vehicle to let Gaijin adding to the game. Even Gaijin adding Israel this year adn few years later it will also facing today situation. And what make thing even worst is Israel is not a full tree it only a half tree, which mean finding a suitable sub-tree nation for it is nearly impossible, because your target should like it which only using own-made weapon meanwhile having relationship with Israel IRL. After filtering all nations and what we got are Taiwan and Singapore, but they are not available right now (Taiwan definely not but Singapore might still got a chance?), but trust me this won’t solve the problems but only frost it, it will having the same problems again when there is out of vehicle to add
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I feel like a broken record repeating this, but as long as people repeat this bad take I’ll continue to do so.
Israel has more than enough unique content to justify an independent tech tree. The snail, for reasons unknown, just refuses to add any of it.
@ofekk213 put together This masterpiece of a concept tree.
We do not need a Subtree when all of the stuff in that can be added instead.
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Just read that low tier suggestion and I not sure is that suggestion a good idea, 7 Sherman in tech tree really a bad idea. And unlike US, this suggestion didn’t have any full lineup for major BR. Maybe Gaijin might add it into the game but will it attract other players like me to grind it? The answer is NO. There are other tree which provide more interesting vehicle and a proper lineup, it is no way to waste my time in a tree that only have M4, Magach, Centurion and Merkava
Every tree has to start somewhere, and currently you still have to grind through low tiers to reach Israel, but in another nations vehicles you may never want to play again.
Its makes more sense to start Israel from Tier I even if its flawed, and once introduced even more vehicle suggestions might get made that aren’t currently listed.
It’d also be much better to have a rank I-III in Israel, so that people aren’t starting at 6.0 with no crew skills.
Enough? Did you ever count how many repeating vehicle in your “masterpiece”? Main reason of the sub-tree is to strengthen the weaknesses of a tech tree, and that so call “masterpiece” is just extented the time to grind and pushing most of the player away I would say, the benefit to the tree is tiny
Did you ever count how many unique vehicles ? Because I count well over 50 (that aren’t even in game yet)
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6 Tiran, 15 Merks, 5 Sabra, 14 Magach, 8 Sherman, 3 Centurion according to that masterpiece, 51 repeated vehicle in 1 tree and I also excluded those vehicle using Sherman and M3 half-track as chassis, maybe I blind but I don’t see any master in this piece. And the ridiculous part is that DEFENCE INDUSTRY SUB-TREE, that is just a Arpil Fool joke. There is no way Gaijin will adding those vehicle under that reason LOL
Again, I’m really not sure why you completely ignore all the unique things, and only focus on the vehicles which belong to a Chassis you deem ‘copy paste’.
You lump all the Merkavas / Sherman’s / Tirans etc together as if they’re the exact same thing, when they all have different guns / turrets / armour / engines / systems etc.
It’s no different than how US has lots of Abrams. Britain lots of Challengers. Russia lots of T72/T80 etc etc.
These vehicles may not interest you, because you’ve clearly got some sort of agenda against this tree, but for people who actually play it, all this stuff looks incredibly fun and interesting.
You can’t honestly look at things like Eitan, Namer, Spyder, HVSD/ADAMS, Sholef, Hafiz, Pereh, FFVD etc etc and tell me those aren’t unique, don’t look interesting to play and aren’t worth adding. If you do. Idk. You’ve clearly sort of bias going on.
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Other countries have stuff in their tree’s which are only there because a company within that country produced it. This would not be a new or unprecedented thing.
It’s still exponentially less ridiculous than things like a Swedish T80U / Mi28, or a Japanese F-16AJ.
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I lump it all together is because they playstyle is similar or same, every chasis having they own limit of modification, that why you didn’t see a T-72 have depression rate more than -5.
Those vehicle is unique, but they also can easily fit into US tree and bring positive effect to US tree than stay in Israel tree
One or two is acceptable, but becoming a sub-tree that is ridiculous.
I not agree with that, Swedish T-80 and AH-64 some how acceptable but F-16AJ, R2Y2 and Ho-Ri is really ridiculous than this.
Honestly, yes I really don’t like Israel IRL due to the reason we all know, but this is not the reason I having bias against it. The reason I has bias against it is because it not strong enough served at a independent tech tree. Just look at the data, even the winrate of Israel look ok but see how many players in the battle, it’s all red even at 11.0 to 11.3 br which having the new premium, as comparison just look at Japan at same br. This shown that even with the premium Israel tree didn’t provide enough of interest to attract players grinding them, so it already proved as failure as a independent tree. Adding sub-tree or unique vehicle won’t save this situation, this is because the prize is not attracting enough, for example: Why everyone grinding Japan? I think most of the answer are to try the Type 10 4sec reload. Now I ask you, why should I grinding Israel? Is there any special feature I can’t find at other nation?
india is already a UK subtree, so your idea is impossible
Do you not think this is a direct result of the fact the tree, currently, is so largely panned as being ‘copy paste’?
Like. Looking at it objectively. Why would anyone, who isn’t interested in Israeli vehicles, ever grind Israel?
I have no interest in Russian vehicles, but I’m still grinding them to experience Pantsir. I have no interest in Italian vehicles, but I’ve just started grinding them to hopefully experience 2A7HU one day.
What is there to grind for in Israel?. Right now, nothing. Because the snail hasn’t added any of the cooler stuff the tree could get yet. Sholef V2 would be better than Vidar, people would grind for that. Spyder would be better than Pantsir, people would grind for that. Etc etc.
The tree is stuck in this cycle where the snail seems to neglect it, and only give it ‘copy paste’ because not many people play it, but it’s exactly that which is causing not many people to play it. It’s a self fulfilling, self defeating cycle.
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