Do 17 Z-2 1/Kg 2 with 7,92 mm Mg 141

Does anyone have more info on this Do 17 Z-2 of the 1/Kg 2 visibly armed with a 7,92 mm Mg 141?

The following is part of my archived Suggestion.

I would like to suggest this unique Do 17 Z-2 armed with a semi fixed 7,92 x 94mm Mg 141 used by the 1/KG 2 piloted by Georg Kröhl.

Initially designed along the Mg 131 and Mg 151, using the Patrone 318 of the Pzb. 38/39/41 it was to offer superior ballistics and penetration compared to the normal Mgs while taking up less space and weight compared to its bigger brothers. Was discontinued duo to extreme barrle wear with the 900 Rpm as well as ammo cost of the S.m.K.H. while overall not beeing as effective as envisioned.

Instead the EW 141 (Einbauwaffe) was developed from it, to be mounted into tanks (Pz I Ausf. C and R.K.9.) but only in Semi-Automatic to reduce barrle wear.

The Do 17 Z-2 also called Fliegender Bleistift (Flying pencil) was if not one of the most successfull pre war german schnell bomber and well liked by its crews. It was developed in multiple rolls with the best and last beeing the Z Series, of wich the Z-2 and Z-7 is allready in game, beeing then normal Schnellbomber and a Night/Groundfighter variant.

This unique Do 17 Z-2 armed with the very high velocity 7,92 mm Mg 141 would be a low Br perhaps premium or Event plane with a Armarment usable against AIr and ground alike duo good penetration (35-36mm) and velocity as well as fire rate of 900 rpm combined with good ballistics making aiming easy, to shoot other bombers even over range.

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Do 17 Z-2 (1/Kg 2 Pilot: Georg Kröhl)


The Gun:
Caliber: 7,92mm

Ammo: 7,92x94mm

Fire Rate: 900 rpm

Bletfed (from Right)

Muzzle velocity: 1250 - 1450 m/s

Weight: 22,5 kg

Ammo Types: Ap, Ap-T(c) and Ap(c)

Cutaway and Drawings of ammo:(Click to show)


S.m.K.H. Rs L’Spur (Ap-T(c)) 14,53g 1250m/s 35mm/10m

S.m.K.H (Ap(c)) 12,6g 1300m/s 35mm/10m

Panzergeschoss (Ap) 10,4g 1450m/s 36mm/10m (Gaijins Calculator)

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The Do 17 Z-2
Max speed: at 5 000 m407 km/h
Turn time: 34 s
Max altitude: 8.500 m
Engine: 2 х BMW Bramo 323P
Type: Radial
Cooling system: Air
Take-off weight: 9 t

1x Mg 15 375 rpg
1x Mg 141 400 rpg
7x Mg 15


  • 20 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (1,000 kg total)
  • 2 x 250 kg SC250JA bombs (500 kg total)
  • 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb + 10 x 50 kg SC50JA bombs (750 kg total)
  • 2 x Flam C 250 incendiary bombs

Dornier Do 17 in the Battle of Britain: The “Flying Pencil”
Dornier Do 17 Units of WW2
Dornier 17 in Focus
Warthunder Wiki Do 17 Z-2