So assuming at least the aircrafts with RWR that can distinguish different radars can get this feature?
Is it? You want an identifier on missiles so you know which type of defense is best through the RWR am I wrong?
One thing I’m confused about is why you’re concerned with the Phoenix in particular. Planes that get RWR that can identify different radars don’t see the Phoenix as a threat unless you’re intentionally flying like an idiot.
Not “at least”.
“Only” aircrafts with RWRs that can classify radar types can get this feature.
Not on the missile.
On the RWR, and only when the missile goes active.
That’s basically RWRs job.
BTW now that we are making poor comparisons:
How about we remove RWR altogether? RWR seems like a handholding mechanic. Remove RWR altogether and have people stay defensive all the time.
I don’t think you even understood what this suggestion is about.
This suggestion in a nutshell and explained in simple language:
You can defeat missiles such as AIM-120 and R-77 using the multipath effect.
This is advantageous compared to notching (or going cold etc) as it lets you stay offensive.
But this method fails against AIM-54 (due to the large warhead and splash damage).
Because there is no distinction on the RWR between various types of ARH missiles:
1- You either have to forgo using the multipath effect to defeat ARH missiles.
2- Or die every once in a while, because the missile coming at you was the odd ball AIM-54 and not a “small caliber ARH” such as AIM-120 or R-77 or PL-12.
Your argument of “you can defeat AIM-54 using other methods” is irrelevant here.
The point is that you can’t reliably defeat the AIM-54 using multipath. And because you can’t reliably know what type of ARH missile is coming at you, you have to either not use multipathing at all or die every once in a while to a AIM-54 that you thought is a e.g. AIM-120 or R-77.
you cant think what will come from F-14 and F-15 for example? theres no sense to add this not realistick stuff
ah, you tried to state that IFF on RWR is reaslistic, all comes into place
Except you can defeat a Phoenix while staying on the offensive by out maneuvering them which is harder to do against missiles like the AMRAAM or R-77.
Its extremely easy to tell if its a Phoenix launched at you. Just look with your eyes. Pay attention to your RWR if an F-14 is pinging you. You have all the tools in the world.
Is it burning for a suspiciously long time and you’re not getting an immediate RWR warning?
Probably a Phoenix.
Was it a shorter burn time and you didn’t get an RWR warning right away?
Probably a ARH that’s not a Phoenix.
If an RWR can accurately detect what missile is locking it, then sure, add that to the UI, but not for every RWR just because phoenixes are annoying (which is the intent I get from this post).
And if both an F-14 and F-18 (APG-55) were pining you?!
That’s a very niche scenario
In real matches a mix of many missiles are gonna be launched from a long distance away, and by the time they get close they are all long burned out.
It’s not a matter of particular RWR, but a matter of missiles.
I.e. RWR is not the determining factor here, the missile seeker is.
I explained it in more details here and here.
theres not stated thay it works by identefication of all planes by freq/etc, might be just like other NATO RWRs, like AN/ALR-46, so, only target type, not country that operates it.
Who cares how it works?
It can tell friend from foe.
If enemy is operating the same radar type, you can always change your own radars’ PRF a little bit to make it distinguishable from the enemy planes.
AN/ALR-46 also can, but only by plane types, like MiG-29 and F-16
prove that.
page you provided - nothing in that case.
Did you provide any proof on how it tells friend from foe?!
Plus, if you want mindlessly realistic IFF then Soviet and NATO planes that play on the same team shouldn’t be able to IFF each other …
BTW, this is all off topic as I have told you already.
Have some forum etiquette and make a new thread if you want to discuss RWR IFF.
theres no proof on that.
same as RWR have IFF based only on freq
Why not? just dont put WP and NATO planes in same team.
Or we can have proper game design
You already have planes from opposite sides in the same nation … e.g. F-16 MLU in China.
Then how do you have the face to ask for proof on the counterclaim when you have no proof for your own claim?
And no, it’s not only based on “frequency”
There’s much more to a signal than just “frequency” …
Also stop the off-topic
Go make a thread if you want to discuss RWR IFF.
In real matches you can also zoom in and see what missiles have been launched at long range.
Id be most interesting in this mechanic for Air Sim, where that isnt really an option
Fair enough. I don’t really play sim so I don’t have anything to say about that.
I still think that this is like a copout. You’re just asking the game to tell you what to do instead of using what you have to make a decision on what to do.
Also, as for multipathing - if all the missiles actually worked historically, multipathing would not work against the AMRAAM, R-77, or PL-12. So it wouldn’t help anyway in distinguishing what to do the way you described.
Notching works against all missiles, but more advanced missiles have thinner and thinner notches. In which case you turn away, which is a more reliable way to defeat AMRAAMs, R-77s, PL-12s, and the like.
rwrs don’t distinguish radar systems irl its actually just detecting the IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) and that’s what gives you a reading of what aircraft is radar pinging you (in reality enemy aircraft would simply not show as an unknown signal on an rwr) the f4c for example does not have an IFF (if I remember correctly) and that why it doesn’t distinguish between different radar pings, but this is simplified Ingame so that all aircraft will reply to IFF signals (reply meaning that EX: F-15 IFF pings an F-16 IFF the f16 would then send a unique signal back the f-15 saying hey I’m a friendly)
Yes they do, they are fully able to distinguish the radar system based upon the frequency the radar is operating at.
Thanks to flame for this doc:
The tornado was actually able to distinguish the Phoenix seeker from other radar systems
