I don’t know how to break this to you
basic mods yeah, but since some nations besides russia arent handhold and get their laser rangefinders and thermals only tier 3/4 some perform better with less mods then others
But like i said, you being personaly offended over the whole thing seems to be a major problem of you
and here is where one learns you have no idea what you are actualy talking about
eurofighter is a better cas then gripen, even if the gripen does come with fnf which the euro lacks,
but the flarakrad being better then ito 90m xD jesus you are clueless
they use the same missles yes but
ito 90m better radar,
gen 3 vs gen 1 thermals
8 ready to fire vs 2
the flarakrad does have a massive capability gap compared to the ito90m
you know what the flarakrad has over the ito90m? smoke launchers which are useless because top A2G armament comes IOG which ignores smoke.
The capability to intercept working actualy better then smoke
All nations are massively underperforming compared to russia in spaa department and gajin acknowledging that and actively working on heavy spaa equipments for all nations is a blessing
Spike puma, spikes are a gimmick and work only half the time if even, which you would know if you ever used them . Besides that sweden does in fact have an 11.7 light with the CV90120, not to mention genius sweden received the CV90 MKIV which actualy is a spike carrier as well, so i am not sure what actualy is your point
overperforming as a result of lacking anti era performance
guess you never heared of sabots rounds being designed to actualy defeat ERA. This was already acknowledged by gajin themself with DM53, M829A2 and so on being tested in Dev servers with a modifier which ignores ERA performance, but they decided to not implement it to handhold russia in the end
Give it a quick look yourself, it does exist. Anti ERA being limited to infantry in the mean time you already ignore multiple anti era equiupment in the game lol. TOW-2A, Spikes, etc etc all have anti era capability with 2 explosive charges.
The max range of most spaas which arent the pantsir is 12km , so yeah, you can easily fire outside of the range of anything able to touch you and retreat
besides most people not having a warning for approaching A2G armament even then there is the relocking feature, , missles will relock you and start guiding towards you again if you come out of cover and that can kill you.
spaa dont always have cover available either, or need to watch their teammates die when they go protect themself
didnt fight that did i?, still stands is a very good CAS and more often then not pantsirs slap out enemy CAP before they can take out SU-34s
2a7V & HU is the same tank, still if you realy wanna uplift poor italy that much lets count it seperately
still TKX and Leclercs are not better armored then bvm,
leclerc has slightly worse rounds and only the tkx having better rounds
bvm comes with complete gen 3 thermals as well while leclerc only gets gen 2
the bvm is a better brawler compared to those 2 and the inherint maps of war thunder go better to the play style of the bvm with many city maps etc
so bvm/abrams would share themself 4th place.
Depends on it’s BR and what they decide to implement. If they add just an upgunned version they will be worse than their 120mm counterparts too.
i don’t know man the Black eagle doesn’t have the Carousel Autoloader so it can be faster then the Object 292 reload time
imagine the one that playing one of the best nations in the game but still playing victim that have to bring Italy France and Japan to argument jeez.
it like playing US ARB and complain about Eurofighter Rafael and Gripen same level of shame.
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believe me when i say 140mm leopards will rip anything in the game apart
Their penetration was close to 1000mm
The swiss 140mm project would come with uparmored leopard as well.
And you see the object 292 still taken to top tier as well, just cause they can still perform realy well there
he is talking about 140mm variants of leopards / abrams and co not black eagle
Besides that was the 152mm ever officialy installed on the black eagle and there is proof for it?
Cause if it only was considered at one point it will never happen in war thunder
There also Leclerc 140mm
the infamous one
Challenger also tests with 130mm gun as well
dont know enough about the terminator
But generaly the ones you named would count towards the more modern upgunned vehicles that will now be slowly considered with the next generation of mbts
specialy the chally 130mm, the terminator might still count as a step in between
Edit: quick check terminator would still perform worse then the older leopard 140mm lol so yeah
They won’t. They are much better than the 292 so they get a higher BR where they will maybe fit in.
Didn’t the 292 have 1000mm of pen aswell? They just made up the pen and velocity.
No they don’t they aren’t even good at their own tier.
Well yeah, they would still rip trough anything.
There is multiple 2a4 platforms at top tier 2a4m, 2pl. And more coming and the 140mm stilleasily performs better as them.
292 has 695mm thats it honestly, quite a big difference. The near 1000m for leo is trough soirces and confirmed trough the calculator gajin uses
Im for it to be added, however it would create another OBJ 292 incident. 9.0-11.7 was unplayable for months because of how busted that tank is. A top tier ultra-powerful gun tank (although would be more contained at top tier) would be just as big of a disaster. The only way I can see it being fair to add would be if the M1 Thumper (USA), Rheinmetall 130mm Leopard 2 (DE) and Rheinmetall 130mm Challenger 2 (GB) were added at the same time to at least balance the books so the 3.5 major nations (Britain isn’t seen as a major nation by the snail but realistically is as far as the military industry goes) all have an equivalent.
I am gonna ask this again since nobody answered it yet earlier.
Was the black eagle ever officialy equipped with a different cannon then the standard 125mm one?
Or is the 152mm just paper that guy copied from wikipedia without proof. The initials OPs post is horribly made source wise and the pictures
Information is scarce annoyingly and theres been several configurations of the vehicle. 125mm appears to be the most agreed upon however the potential that an updated 152 from after obj292 is still quite plausible
I mean plausible doesnt matter.
If there is no proof or even a picture to model it after it wont happen in war thunder.
The change from 125mm to 152mm does change a lot in a tank to accomandate everything.
As far as i am concerned there is no reason to discuss this fictional version then.
You are guys are better of talking about the real black eagle which will be less problematic to add either way
695mm of pen is gaijin using their penetration formula, it also should have close to 1000mm of penetration
We cant tell from a photo without a close up photo with a reference object of a known size, people thought the 3.7in 28pdr gun on TOG 2 was a 17pdr for years until someone actually measured the bore. Because obj 640 is still pretty undocumented we wont know until someone measures it and shows us all
In terms of natural rotation, I’m pretty sure theist event / battle pass vehicle Russia got was the Murmansk navel vessel, then long before that, the obj. 292, although I could be mistaken
Leo 140m is 1000 with the formular, so sth doesnt add up there on your end
You’re conveniently missing both eremin’s Yak-3 and KV-7.
it would be around 750~ with Gaijins formula
Highest numbers I’ve seen so far regarding high caliber prototypes are from the Object 195 and CATTB.