'IRCM", works against radar missile lol.
They need to just revert this update it is so damn horrible
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its very hard for stuff like aim120 or mica or any sort of fox 3 to guide onto stationary target, the best proof of this is that one funny tactic you can do with harrier where you hover and missiles just miss.
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Yeah, I would’ve thought that the hell accidentally notched the missile, but this isn’t what happened as the guidance stayed locked on and either way would’ve hit since they as they added INS to all ARH missiles
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How can we shoot down these Soviet and Chinese helicopters then? If they are invulnerable to all missiles.
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I thought the AIM-120C7 was a smart missile that could shoot down stationary targets.
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like we did before
using spaa’s like adats, ito 90, roland, etc.
Anything with SOCLOS or proxy HE?
^Missile gets bad lock (probably chaffed)
^Missile relocks (prob locks onto chaff), rejects the newly aquired lock bcs it assumes its chaff
^Missile continues on IOG towards original radar lock
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That heli is at 100kph speed but I remember our arh have 300kph pd gate sooo…
i think im gonna need some math tutoring
And here?
“akd-9”
i didnt know chinese helis shot mini helicopters instead of missiles
but btw, yeah it was 115 kph at some point, i even copied the Screenshot as a proof that it wasnt xdd i stand corrected
but it doesnt matter, 115 kph is still too slow
For the 1st one notice how the heli is only going 72kph? that is to slow for the PD to filter him out of the ground clutter, he is basically notching the missile.
IRL modern PD radars will pick up the rotors as one side is moving away and the other closer as an extremely highspeed, but that effect is not modeled in game currently.
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this is actually semi correct
because radar sees returns of the rotor blades moving forwards and away, the ground clutter filtering might not display/capture the target as it will think its just bunch of bad ground clutter returns. But that said, i have no idea how PESA/AESA radars would do against capturing a helicopter in irl scenario, but i doubt aim120c7 has build in PESA/AESA radar.
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OK thanks, in not a missile expert so I don’t know what seeker C-7 uses, I was thinking of the more sensitive radars on an aircraft being able to data link the missile in, but I forgot some types shut off the data link once the switch to their own radar. Do the PESA/AESA detect helis in game now? I only unlocked aircraft with them recently so I haven’t tested them on helis yet so I’m still running on the older PD radar experience.
no clue how pesa or aesa performs in game against helicopters, as i dont use that high br of jets in grb
Ill have to test it out some time, I’m curious now. Even with out AESA seeker missiles like AAM4B maybe SARHs on an AESA plane will be a nasty surprise for helis,
Does that matter…? 72<300 and 115<300, and just take 1 specific number to make them all 100.
The radar sees:
(High Frequency signal on the left) (Low Frequency Signal one the right)
(Clutter Frequency signal below)
*left and right based on types of heli
By filtering the radar will see the signals and after that some further processing should take place. Older ones may just leave it as a strange dot there, for pdv ingame maybe 2 dots. Maybe Low Frequency part is in sidelobe clutters so only the high one is left. Maybe modern ones can just “think” that it’s a heli. I don’t really think PESA or AESA have an effect on signal processing for they are the part for gathering the signal
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Lol nothing to do with IRCM, Heli has always been almost invisible to radar missiles because Gaijin doesn’t model the giant fan on top moving close to mach
Radars have been able to detect rotors since the 90s, it’s a software filtering thing iirc
According to the J-CATCH tests, the F-15A was capable of detecting helicopters at 64km with its radar back in the late 1970s. The aircraft had difficulty destroying them with AIM-7E and F, but that is easily explained by the multipath issue that would be totally solved with AIM-7M. A repeat of those tests with modern high performance medium range ARH missiles is likely to show fighter aircraft are now extremely capable of countering choppers from outside the chopper’s counter-attack range.
Tangentially related is small quadrotor drones are also quite distinctive on radar, despite their significantly smaller rotor size and total size. You need to specifically tune the radar to look for them, but once you do it’s very easy to find them. Even with consumer electronics.
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